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Greetings from Poland

Hi there,

It's my real pleasure to join this community. After "travelling" for a long time, learning many CMS systems (some of them quite thoroughly) …I have finally discovered the ocPortal. Being deeply impressed by its potential I have decided to climb up its, as I'm expecting, a bit confusing learning curve. I have a feeling that this effort will be very fruitful :-)
 
As for now best regards to all of you,

Cheers,

Hobbis
Warsaw, Poland

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Hi Hobbis and welcome to ocPortal.

I personally think ocPortal is one of the best CMS' out there. Yes, it is a bit of a learning curve, but the ending results are great as you can see here.

Good luck with your building and don't hesitate to asks questions when the time comes.

Eric DeMars . com
My electronic portfolio and personal site. Uses ocPortal!
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Hi Eric,

Thank you very much for a warm welcome.:-)

Indeed I have collected some experience working with some other CMS systems, so now I generally know what sort of features should have the "good one". The ocPortal seems to have them much more then anyone could expected. It actually looks like a "Ferrari" among an ordinary cars and hopefully it is performing in outstanding manner. The question is if it is also as fast as those famous Italian supercar?
 
Eric this is my first question to you as you are a Veteran on this field. This is the thing which is bothering me a bit now. When I was checking out some websites built on ocPortal, I have noticed that sometimes they are not too fast, in terms of browser downloading. In other words I had to wait for a display a little longer comparing other CMS systems. I presume that some problems could have been caused by heavy design  (for example your website behaves very well, it shows up really very quickly), but anyway I would like to know your opinion in this matter. Is ocPortal fast enough?

Thank you in advance for your answer,

Best regards,

Hobbis
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Welcome aboard, Hobbis.

I'll let Eric answer your question.

Enjoy your journey.

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Take my advice. I'm not using it!

View my working ocPortal site (version 9.x.x) at Anglo-Indian Portal
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Welcome to this great community, Hobbis:)
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You have found a great place to be and I am happy to say Welcome Hobbis. ocPortal is at least a class above the rest. The forum here is a great place to learn and ask questions. Most of the time you will get someone to respond to your questions fairly quickly as members check in. What is so wild is sometimes you will actually get answers from the creator of ocPortal. If you haven't meet him in the Forum yet, you will. …and this is just one cool thing about ocPortal. Have a great time exploring and discovering all the possibilities.


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Fletch said

I'll let Eric answer your question.
 

You are more than welcome to jump in… afterall, you're more of a veteran than I be.  :lol:

Eric DeMars . com
My electronic portfolio and personal site. Uses ocPortal!
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Hobbis said

Thank you very much for a warm welcome.:-)

We're always happy to see new faces.

Hobbis said

Eric this is my first question to you as you are a Veteran on this field.

I continue to learn something new almost every time I log on here.. so I'm no expert.  :lol:

Hobbis said

This is the thing which is bothering me a bit now. When I was checking out some websites built on ocPortal, I have noticed that sometimes they are not too fast, in terms of browser downloading. In other words I had to wait for a display a little longer comparing other CMS systems. I presume that some problems could have been caused by heavy design  (for example your website behaves very well, it shows up really very quickly), but anyway I would like to know your opinion in this matter. Is ocPortal fast enough?

I'm horrible at explaining things, so hopefully Fletch will jump in or someone else can enlighten you more.

This was an ocPortal tutorial I found awhile back on optimizing for faster loading:

ocPortal.com - ocPortal Tutorial: Optimising


Eric DeMars . com
My electronic portfolio and personal site. Uses ocPortal!
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Hi Eric, Hi Fletch, Hi Jean, Hi friendly…

Hi all you Guys,

Thank you so much for you incredible and unusually warm reception. This gives me a lot of power and a good motivation to further study the ocPortal. It is fantastic to know that there is a such supportive community here  :)

So please wish me some luck, as I have already declared to Chris my readiness to translate this system into Polish, which as you pretty well know, is not an easy task at all. By the way I would be grateful for every tips in this matter.

Best regards,

Hobbis
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Hobbis,

Give us some example URLs of ocPortal sites you considered slow so that we can make comparison with how we think it should work.

Often, sites you've visited are currently in limbo, i.e. no further development other than installing. Sometimes they are are running outdated versions as well. And mostly these sites haven't been 'tweaked' to respond at the optimum, e.g. cacheing hasn't been turned on, or something similar.

It has been a long time since I've read that a visitor to an ocPortal site has found it 'slow', so I'm interested.

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Take my advice. I'm not using it!

View my working ocPortal site (version 9.x.x) at Anglo-Indian Portal
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Hi Hobbis!
My own take on speed is very similar to what Fletch mentioned already which indicates a direct link to whether the site has been optimized for speed or not. All is in the design and with the designer's concept of how he wants his site to be perceived: Will it be all speed with minimum features and graphical hurdles or will it be based on a balancing act between information and form. The audience that the site is trying to address is the determining factor here I believe for a designer to decide between creating a speedy skeleton or a full fleshed out CSS3 multi-media site.

But very often, visitors to sites are not aware of the most important determinants of speed hurdles:
1- How does ones own computer fetched a website?
For instance two identical ocPortal sites might show huge differences in execution speed, just because they are in different servers, different countries, and at different viewing times on different time-zones.
In my case, when I call a web site, the request has to leave the border of my small Island to be pickup by Sprint. When Sprint is too busy, it will bounce my packet between 3 to 5 routers and eventually lead it to Atlanta or Miami; there it will find a router for New-York for a trans Atlantic route or go to Texas or California, depending on where in the world is the server of this website I'm trying to reach. All this will be followed by thousands of packets which hopefully will seek the same route and not one of them be dropped by an overrunning router. You see my point!
2- Internet traffic is being intercepted by world wide communication routers and bounced between providers.
3- Often entire zones of world communications are rerouted or simply not accessible because of excessive traffic or router maintenance.
4- Increased denial-of-service attack (DoS attack) or distributed denial-of-service attack (DDoS attack) which are attempts to make a computer and even entire resources unavailable to its intended users, forces communication providers to reroute to a more complex route map in an effort to control and divert the bottleneck.

I fear that it is no longer an easy question to answer directly, as many elements must be fine tuned to get to the bottom of it.

I often use a quick and dirty method to find out if the delay is due to the design itself or to the Internet conditions:

Windows or DOS based Command Prompt: tracert (ip or domain name here without the parenthesis)
You will be able to determine how many Hops (routers) it takes to reach a website and the time it stays at each one.

The other command: ping (ip or domain name here) can give you an idea if packets are dropped along the way indicated in % loss.

To convey real numbers, these tests must be repeated over a period of time and an average taken for more accuracy.
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Hi Guys,

With a deep satisfaction I have to admit that my question (observation) about ocPortal speed was a bit premature, as today I have checked out again all those sites built on it (obviously I found them here Post your site). Now everything seems to work smoothly and quickly. So thank you very much Jean for your great lecture which made me sure that problems I experienced two days ago with downloading speed were only temporary and so please forgive me Fletch but luckily I am not able anymore to give you any reasonable example of badly working website powered by the ocPortal. :$

There is one more thing to resolve - optimization of my own OCP installation, which is still a raw staff and behaves in a sort of "lazy" manner. But seeing all these wonderful sites I am pretty sure I will manage this soon. :)

Thanks again for your spark and fantastic reactions. It is good to be here…

Cheers,

Hobbis   
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Hobbis said

There is one more thing to resolve - optimization of my own OCP installation …

Don't rush it - it will settle down after you've introduced all the elements you wish. The advice from the staff is usually NOT to cache blocks and modules and stuff, until you are ready to go live. This helps when you edit things and want to see the changes immediately. Of course, the penalty you pay is overall load speed.

There is one dirty little trick that most (I think ALL) of us employ to clear the caches …

CTRL+ALT+SHFT+refresh

… which is worth remembering when changes you make aren't showing up as you expect them to.

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Take my advice. I'm not using it!

View my working ocPortal site (version 9.x.x) at Anglo-Indian Portal
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