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Here are 2 reasons that are the biggest reasons why I do not use ocf. I am posting this because I get asked a lot why I use other forums instead of ocf.

First reason and one that annoys me a bit is the online list. In IPB and other forums scripts I use it shows where the member is at.
Here is a screen shot.


The second is the cpu load and page load time.
I like seeing that and at one time I had paid a php designer to make one for ocportal but it was never finished as the company I hired to do it went out of business, do not worry I got my money back.
Here is a screen shot of the one for ipb.

I could show the one for mybb as well which I actually find better then the one for IPB as it shows the memory usage. Although there is a feature in IPB that shows memory but it shows to much info and is a security risk as it shows what files are using how much memory.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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The CPU load does not bother me much but I do miss the active member details that I used to get with IPB. I miss it but not enough to not use OCF. I use OCF because of the very tight integration with the Portal.

By the way have you put in a request for a quote on adding these features to OCF? I am sure that there are others that would be willing to go in with you on this. I might be willing if the quote is not to high.

I am trying to get enough money together to get FashChat integrated as that is one of the main things that I want to make this a perfect product.

Rick Henson

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I have mentioned the online details before and Chris has a rule not to over ask for it if it does not get put in.  It may have been one of the features I asked for to much. I know I mentioned it before ocp4 came out and was honestly hopping it would be a feature of ocp4 but its not. I am glad you like the idea and are interested in it as well.

The cpu thing is not some thing I asked for at least not that I know of.

Any way thanks.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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Ami,

I did not mean asking for it in the open forums, I meant creating a ticket and asking for a quote and paying for the feature. Chris has given me Quotes before, If you are willing to pay for it I don't think there is to much that can't be done. He will let you know if it can be done and how much he would charge to do the project.

I also had another thought. Why not set up an area in the forums, then make feature requests. One topic per request. Once you create your request you would include an amount that you would be willing to pitch in to pay for that feature. Then anyone else that would also like to get that feature would reply to that topic with the amount that they would be willing to pitch in. Once everyone that wants the feature has put in their bid there would be a total. If the total is enough for Chris or one of the other programmers to take it on then everyone would pay through PayPal and once the total is met they would create that feature.

I think this would make all of the needs of the community available for OCProducts to see and would give the community a chance to bid on those features, and it would be a new way for the masses to support this product. I would like to hear what others think of this idea?

Rick Henson

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That' a great Idea Rick. I think once the ocP community gets a little larger this would definitely be a viable way to ask for mods. I used to see this quite a bit in the x-cart forums when the devs did not feel it was a needed mod the community would chip in together to get-er-done. If you get 10-20 people asking or wanting the same thing it can reduce the cost considerably.

One person would take the lead on the project and others would add there input. All funds then would be sent to the person who took the lead and he/she would communicate with the devs and pass out the final mod to those that chipped in.


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Hey Ami! You can get a fairly detailed snapshot of user activity by clicking on the Details link, bottom left of forum view, under Usage Statistics.

I would imagine that we could create something to grab your other wishlist item there.

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Rick and Sledge, agreed! Great idea! It would also help to enhance the community here. Chris could give us quotes for various mods and enhancements that would be outside the scope of normal OCP dev. We can then start collecting donations and once the target is met, ocProducts could begin the coding.

My $0.02 worth.

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Ok I will open up the forum on my site for these 2 mods.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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I opened up the ticket and when I get a reply I will set up the post on oc4themes.org.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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SoccerDad said

My $0.02 worth.

Cheapskate!!

(only joking …)

Agree about the idea. I see it working this way:
  • A core of members agree to pay 'upfront' for the feature request.
  • ocPortal agree to take on the task when it is financially viable.
  • ocPortal only begin the work when the baseline cost is met by the members.
  • The 'feature' is released only to those members who paid for it.
  • ocPortal retain copyright of the feature and may make it available to others for a fee in the future.

amichan said

Ok I will open up the forum on my site for these 2 mods.

I think Rick meant open up a 'forum' on this site, Amy. But I'm sure he will correct me if I am wrong!

Take my advice. I'm not using it!

View my working ocPortal site (version 9.x.x) at Anglo-Indian Portal
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hahaha! interestingly enough, it's my fiance who is the cheep one…not that I'm complaining!!! ;)

Well laid out Fletch and works for me! We'll have to see what Chris & Co. think about the idea.

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just peace, unity, tolerance and love" - The Beloved

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Oh I do not have the ability to Make forums here so Chris will have to do that.
I made this though.
We have 2 requests at the moment.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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# The 'feature' is released only to those members who paid for it.
# ocPortal retain copyright of the feature and may make it available to others for a fee in the future.
I would want it to be available for every one. Other wise I do not see as much of a point of doing it.
The whole idea in my head is to make ocportal it self better for every one ad mods will make it better for every one.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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I do think it better to keep all of the requests here at OCPortal.com. I have found when things like this are scattered across multiple sites it gets very confusing with links back and forth etc.

As to the feature only going to those that paid, I think that would be the natural way most would do it. But I believe we should be forward thinking, once a community feature is created I feel it should go out to the community as open source. This would create a larger base of features for the whole and still give those of us that crave and are willing to pay for a particular feature a way to get them.

If you want a feature that would not go to the community you still have the option of submitting a ticket, getting your quote, and paying for it yourself outside of the community.

Just my $.02 cents, and yes I am cheap, that is why I thought of this idea as the cost of wanted features could be spread across several members.

Edit: Looks like I stepped on you Ami, seems we both have the same feeling about the features going to all users.

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Yes we do.
I am used to seeing mods on more then one site.
Like for ipb you have IPB's own mod site, invisionize, invisionmodding and many others.

I am trying to create my own site that is dedicated to ocportal, if its all on here then my site has little purpose.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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Ami,

I am also familiar with those sites and understand the need for them. I used to use them a lot. My only point would be that those sites are all for third party mods. The mods that we are talking about here are first party mods by OCproducts. As such their discussion would be less confusing if they were located here. That does not mean that there could not be third party sites like yours to extend those discussions.

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OH ok well hopefully Chris can make a forum for that type of thing or I guess I could just make a topic in the add ons section - I think I will go ahead and do that. I really do want to help ocportal as much as possible.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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Hi all,

Thanks for your comments. I'm going to reply to most said here, and I'm also going to make an exception to our usual rule of commenting on features to put my/our stance on the features mentioned here. I don't have a lot of time to get into a debate about the specific features, but I don't think it hurts for me to make a one-off to further explain our thoughts to give a bit more insight into our process. My reply here is doing too things: I'm replying about the features, and about the idea - so please bear in mind my comments are divided :).

There's a permission called "See where users currently are on the website, and their choice of web browser". If this permission is on when you click the "Details" link next to the online member list you get a full detailed table that includes where they are. If you view a member's profile you can see what web browser they use. We don't have it on by default for regular members just for privacy reasons, but of course different sites will have different kinds of expectations/environments so it can be changed. It's not on the forum index because we see forums as only a part of a website, and this kind of heavy forum index goes against that because it kind of implies the forum index is a feature hub in it's own right (online status isn't really forum-related, it's site-related). We're not out to clone other forum software (IPB, vBulletin, SMF, etc), and we don't really consider or track them as direct competitors - we have all their important features, but we take a different design approach that we believe leads to a more appropriate experience for what ocPortal is designed for.

My opinion on CPU load is that it should be a feature of hosting control panels, not ocPortal, as it's a system level reporting tool. I'm not ruling it out (I don't know if hosting control panels provide this to individual account users), but there hasn't been a lot of demand for us to do it either.

Query data and memory usage can be viewed by staff either by putting some special code into the URL or by selecting from the drop-down list within the login block. Basic page load times can obviously just be timed by a timer (although this would be higher than the written figure due to latency/transfer-time) – but also full timing can be achieved using the PHP xdebug extension. My opinion on all this together is that it's functionality for programmers, which is why it's not in the main interface. To be brutally honest, I personally file placing this on a website in the same place I file that commonplace PHP-nuke feature of showing all visitors what web browsers other visitors use – in the pointless feature bin. But if people disagree, that's what mods are for, as as I stress - ocPortal is Open Source so our design choices aren't a be-all-and-end-all.
Also of course we're a business and a big part of it is selling features that people want but aren't already in ocPortal. Often people have specific needs and our general design decisions don't quite meet them. This is what rick is talking about, and we regularly give out quotes and do work like this. My dilemma here is I don't want to recommend it out to everyone, because it's something we essentially aim at businesses - I don't want to ask people to pay for things that aren't justifiable out of some kind of business budget - that would make me feel bad (especially if people are on tight personal budgets), and we are as much about creating a free software community as we are about providing services to businesses.

I also had another thought. Why not set up an area in the forums, then make feature requests. One topic per request. Once you create your request you would include an amount that you would be willing to pitch in to pay for that feature. Then anyone else that would also like to get that feature would reply to that topic with the amount that they would be willing to pitch in. Once everyone that wants the feature has put in their bid there would be a total. If the total is enough for Chris or one of the other programmers to take it on then everyone would pay through PayPal and once the total is met they would create that feature.

I think this would make all of the needs of the community available for OCProducts to see and would give the community a chance to bid on those features, and it would be a new way for the masses to support this product. I would like to hear what others think of this idea?

That's a good idea rick. What I said in my last paragraph remains true, but if people are willing to put smaller amounts in to justify their more personal (or fund-restricted) objectives, that's different :).

The 'feature' is released only to those members who paid for it.
ocPortal retain copyright of the feature and may make it available to others for a fee in the future.

There's a slight problem here, and that's whilst we retain copyright on features we develop, we sometimes do put these back into ocPortal. There are things in ocPortal (a small proportion) that were paid for directly by people who needed them, and we considered it worthwhile to consider. There are also things we did that did not get put in because we thought it would create software bloat. Promising not to release for at least few weeks is something we could possibly meet, however - I'll leave that open for our users to discuss.

I am trying to get enough money together to get FashChat integrated as that is one of the main things that I want to make this a perfect product.

I don't know if you've tried our chat rooms feature in v4 or not, but if you haven't you'll be surprised just how advanced it is.

OH ok well hopefully Chris can make a forum for that type of thing or I guess I could just make a topic in the add ons section - I think I will go ahead and do that. I really do want to help ocportal as much as possible.

I'd prefer to let things develop before structuring things. If this happens a few times, we'll likely make a forum and move any appropriate topics into it. I would also prefer ocportal.com to be a central place; it's not likely ocProducts staff are going to spend much time on other sites. I'm sure there is a place for other ocPortal-related sites though, specialising in things that maybe we wouldn't ever do here (e.g. theme reviews? addon rating?).


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Fletch said

SoccerDad said

My $0.02 worth.

Cheapskate!!

(only joking …)

Agree about the idea. I see it working this way:
  • A core of members agree to pay 'upfront' for the feature request.
  • ocPortal agree to take on the task when it is financially viable.
  • ocPortal only begin the work when the baseline cost is met by the members.
  • The 'feature' is released only to those members who paid for it.
  • ocPortal retain copyright of the feature and may make it available to others for a fee in the future.


amichan said

Ok I will open up the forum on my site for these 2 mods.

I think Rick meant open up a 'forum' on this site, Amy. But I'm sure he will correct me if I am wrong!


I'm going to agree with Fletch on this one.

If a group of people pay to have a mod made they are paying to have something different than all the rest of the community. This may also be a modification that ocP does not want to support. They may be willing to dev it for the group but not continue dev on it as standard code.

If they did this for every mod made, ocp would very quickly become bloatware and out of control. e.g. to much work.

If I pay ocproducts to develop my site I would prefer that my modifications did not become the norm. For one I paid for them, and they were my ideas, secondly they would be unique for my site and not necessarily an enhancement for everybody's site.

Now if they though they would benefit the community as a whole by all means they reserve the right to add that functionality.

IMO opinion what this community needs are people designing mods and templates and selling them. This will bring in those users like me that would rather pay for a template and modification than learn to do it myself. My time is better spent on other thing… what takes me 8 hours takes Chris ten minutes and this is not a joke :lol:. You will reach a much broader audience if these two things happen and some community members will make money and ocProducts will benefit big time.

just my 2 cents.

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bah Chris posted as I was typing heh seems we were thinking on the same lines.  :thumbs:

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