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Hi, many of you might have seen me posting and reporting bugs in the past two weeks. I was in the proces of selecting an application to transfer an existing IPB 1.3 forum into a complete portal website and forum. Today i am still in doubt weather or not to use ocportal for this.
Maybe you can help me make up my mind:

Here are my concerns:

1. Server performance, I noticed that OCP doesn not perform too good on my server, It is much slower as the current forum and other scripts i tried. I understand that OCP is a bigger application with more features but is is still not encouraging. But maybe i am overlooking some tweaking options.

2. Bugs. In testing OCP i have found a bug in almost every part i dive in to some deeper. Although i an very satisfied with the way Chris and the others respond and manage to squash these bugs almost instantly, it means a lot of work for me in patching the code, a thing i am trying to avoid since i have little time and several websites to attend to. A patch/plugin installation system like in SMF would be great and save me a lot of work. I feel that this version is still not quite ready yet.

3. Usability.
OCP was made with some very clever techniques and structures in mind. I always applaud these kind of innovations, as long as they are benefit for the admin and his users. In this case i get the feeling that usability traded in for an abitious technical structure and an insane amount of features. Although i am in love with the amount of features and flexibility that OCP has, am already getting irritated by the unlogical structured user interface. This is in my opinion one of the biggest flaws of this application. It is also what made Mambo big, an easy to use userinterface. I advice you guys to reconsider the structure of the administrating interface, or maybe even add a difference between a basic and an advanced type.
I am still in the process of trying to configuring it the way i want. Is there a service that you can provide so you can do it for me?

4. Creating a website un under an hour. I would be carefull in shouting this to hard. The default settings and configuration are far from ideal for most websites. F.I. the fact that all users get access to the Content Management Zone to me is very strange.

5. The OCP forum
Although the forum has a lot of features, it doesn't quite match scripts like SMF and vbulletin. Especially on speed and search capability.
(BTW. i advise you to put a search button or link in the forum root. I was looking for the search button for ages and just found it ;) )

6. I noticed that the developers often use other names for features that usually have different names. "Personal topics" is an example of this. Most scripts call this personal messages or instant messages. Although it might be possible that personal topics has different features and techniques, it is still confusing for most users (especially non native english speakers like myself). I also understand that the developers try to distuinguish the product from the enormous amount of CMS and portal solutions. Still i think it is bad marketing and "product-thinking" in stead of "client-thinking".

After re-reading this post i first have to apologize for my bad english :$ .
Second i want to make clear that the fact that i make this post states that i see a lot of potential in the product and am still very interested in using it. Investing this amount of time in a script is not something i do very often. I am mostly a positive person but am also straight forward in my communication.

I would like to applaud the developers an a product that has unique features and structures. I am missing a marketing thought in the developent though.


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addendum: when i tried to preview the above post i get a screen covered with error messages stating that there is some problem with tags not being closed, xml stuff etc.

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Webrunner said

1. Server performance, I noticed that OCP doesn not perform too good on my server, It is much slower as the current forum and other scripts i tried. I understand that OCP is a bigger application with more features but is is still not encouraging. But maybe i am overlooking some tweaking options.

Chris will be better suited to answer this than I am - he actually coded all of this. You can check in your site configuration to ensure that all of the caching tickboxes are enabled, and that XHTML validation is disabled - this will make a huge difference.

2. Bugs. In testing OCP i have found a bug in almost every part i dive in to some deeper. Although i an very satisfied with the way Chris and the others respond and manage to squash these bugs almost instantly, it means a lot of work for me in patching the code, a thing i am trying to avoid since i have little time and several websites to attend to. A patch/plugin installation system like in SMF would be great and save me a lot of work. I feel that this version is still not quite ready yet.

I concur, and I regret that our shortcomings have resulted in extra work for you. We've spent a large amount of time in beta testing but this system is huge and it's very difficult to consider every possible problem that can come up. I'll talk to Chris and Philip about this.

3. Usability.
OCP was made with some very clever techniques and structures in mind. I always applaud these kind of innovations, as long as they are benefit for the admin and his users. In this case i get the feeling that usability traded in for an abitious technical structure and an insane amount of features. Although i am in love with the amount of features and flexibility that OCP has, am already getting irritated by the unlogical structured user interface. This is in my opinion one of the biggest flaws of this application. It is also what made Mambo big, an easy to use userinterface. I advice you guys to reconsider the structure of the administrating interface, or maybe even add a difference between a basic and an advanced type.

This is disconcerning to me - we actually spent most of the development time for v3 rethinking the user interface (if you used v2, you'll see it's a staggering improvement). If you can please elaborate on the faults you've found, I'd be very grateful. We've been rather proud of our interface so if you can point out flaws you find in it we would appreciate it very much.

I am still in the process of trying to configuring it the way i want. Is there a service that you can provide so you can do it for me?

I believe this is one of the options for consultancy - I'll find out for sure, though.

 F.I. the fact that all users get access to the Content Management Zone to me is very strange.

The idea is that anybody who can submit content will have access to that zone. So if you're allowing users to have blogs, then they're going to see the content management zone link because that's where they'll submit their blogs from.

5. The OCP forum
Although the forum has a lot of features, it doesn't quite match scripts like SMF and vBulletin. Especially on speed and search capability.

If you could pick 3-5 features to add to ocPortal's forum, what would you add?

(BTW. i advise you to put a search button or link in the forum root. I was looking for the search button for ages and just found it ;) )

That's probably a reasonable request - I'll see about adding one.

6. I noticed that the developers often use other names for features that usually have different names. "Personal topics" is an example of this. Most scripts call this personal messages or instant messages. Although it might be possible that personal topics has different features and techniques, it is still confusing for most users (especially non native english speakers like myself). I also understand that the developers try to distuinguish the product from the enormous amount of CMS and portal solutions. Still i think it is bad marketing and "product-thinking" in stead of "client-thinking".

The reason that we named them Personal Topics is because they really behave differently than personal messages, simply in the way that they're structured. No other forum systems allow you to keep your conversations organized in the way our Personal Topic system does. It's not a set of messages, it's a set of topics, which is the difference. We decided personal topics really was the most descriptive term, and we had to consider that for first-time internet users, it was probably the most logical name to use.

After re-reading this post i first have to apologize for my bad english :$ .

Your English read very well to me - I wouldn't have guessed it was your second language :).

Second i want to make clear that the fact that i make this post states that i see a lot of potential in the product and am still very interested in using it. Investing this amount of time in a script is not something i do very often. I am mostly a positive person but am also straight forward in my communication.

And we really appreciate you taking the time to do this. Like I've said, I've now opened topics in our Administration forum to talk about a few of these with our staff.

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Jsut for information whilst I'm in a hurry - ocPortal works about 300% faster for me using PHP 5 than using PHP 4.

A lot of webhosts offer PHP5 or offer 4 as default with some way to switch over to 5.

I really recommend trying it with PHP 5 if you can as you'll notice the difference immediately.

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Thanks for the feedback and open and non-defensive response, i really appreciate that!
This keeps me motivated to continue. :thumbs:

 Let me respond to your suggestions.

I already use php5, so that won't help much. Thanks for thinking with me though. BTW, i run my own servers so i can tweak with all server settings. Do you reccommend installing cache and php optimizers like eaccellerator?

Some features from other forums i can come up with:

1. when i write a post, i see a list of messages from that topic on the bottom of the page. I would like to see who posted them, when and add a quote button so i can add quotes from several posts. (from SMF)

2. Buddylist (SMF, vB), mark topics in which buddies have posted (different color)

3. SEF URL's like E-Commerce Hosting (vB)

4. Different smiley-sets (SMF, vB)

5. Birthday calendar (SMF, IPB, vB) with birthday message/email

6. Topics resolved (SMF + add-on, vB) : the abbility to mark Topics as solved, kind of like a ticket system.

7. automated Digest email message (vB)

8. Comments on profile page (like a personal guestbook)

9. Patch and plugin installation engine (SMF)

10. Manage banner ads per zone and forum. (SMF + add-on)

11. Manual or automated Reminder emails for non activated accounts (SMF)

12. Ingorelist (blacklist) (SMF)

13. Inline post and topic title editing (AJAX: SMF)

14. Don't show other people avatars and/or signature (SMF)

15. Quicksearch right beneath the virtual forums links on the right. This searchbox always searches only in the item in focus. So if i am in a topic, it searches anly in that topic. same for forum and category. Very handy for big forums that can take a long time to search through. (SMF)
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Speed:
I can truly understand that XHTML validating and all that is exciting and great functionality. But it is useless if it has to be disabled when the website is getting more traffic. Maybe you should add a launch or optimize wizzard that switches services like these (and maybe some others)  off and so speeding up the application. Also automated table optimization could help keeping things up to speed (SMF has this, works great!)

I turned everything off as you advised and it is indeed a bit quicker, but not a lot.
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Usability:
I can imagine that you are proud on the new interface, and it is indeed a lot better then the old one (wich i know from opensourcecms). But it would have been wiser to follow the standards that are set in most CMS applications. This way it would be more appealing to people that are already used to a certain system. I would advise rearranging the icons in different groups ands rename some of the groups.

A fault that i have found can be found on this forum. I posted several bugs.
Apart from that there is some things in places where you wouldn't expect them.

F.I. I would rename the Security group to "Users & permissions" and remove the badwords filter from that group and also move some other icons to it like "Edit member", "Add member" and "Merge member".

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Your argument about private messages/topics is an example product thinking. The truth is that it will be a lot less used with a name like "Personal topic" because people won't recognize it for what it is. That is because people expect to find certain functionality under a certain name. F.I. How many people would find the "refresh button" on their webbrowsers if Microsoft suddenly started naming it "draw again"? Especially when there is more "unusual" stuff going on in an application like there is in OCPortal.

I hope you get my point, it is mainly just rearraging stuf.

Thanks for listening to me going on here…i'll shut up now ;)

And BTW: the preview still gives me errors :(





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Wow - what a list!

We'll take these into consideration, but given that it's a weekend it might take us some time to think through them.

Just so this is out there, while we often like ideas and take them "into consideration", this doesn't mean that you could really expect them within any reasonable time frame. We've just finished v3 so another version is still a way off. But, thank you very much for suggesting these, and I presume Chris will come along and comment on some of them as well, when the working week begins again.

Thanks again :).

(With regards to the preview issue, just click "no validation" above the preview icon until we get that issue solved.)

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Allen said


Just so this is out there, while we often like ideas and take them "into considertion", this doesn't mean that you could really expect them within any reasonable time frame.




With the speed Graham has been solving bugs i would have exspected that all the functions where implemented tomorrow! ;)

(Joke of course)

They are just suggestions, i have loads more ideas for you, but think them through very well. An implemented feature can never be removed without making some users angry.

At SMF they "get" that really wel and they use the plug-in structure to add extra (optional) features.

Thanks for the tip on the preview bug ;)
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The thing about Private Topics you may not have seen yet Webrunner is that you can start one in the middle of a thread as well as in the form of a personal message as per other forum software.

Personal Message doesn't really cover that in terms of usage and to be honest Personal Message, although more widely used, is less accurate, as it's more of a discussion between members. Where message (singular) was probably implemented a long time ago at the dawn of discussion baords for an administrator to send a one-way message to a member, topic suggests more of a two-way function.

To be honest though, people who don;t have much experience with discussion board software won't know which term is more common unless they really shop around, and people who are used to them are likely to understantd what is meant.

Just to confuse the point further, the myTopix forum software calls them Notes and although relatively few people have that software installed as it's in beta, on the larger boards people still know what is meant by notes.

I think it's more important that things are kept in more or less the same area on the screen as in other forum software as that's where people expect to find them so if you're going  for ease of use between products having notes and personal settings links at the top-right makes a tonne of sense (and there they are ;)).

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 :dry:

I am trying real hard but i get error after error. Or i must be the stupidest man on this forum or this application is just buggy.
I'm on the virge of giving up…… :'(


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If you can jot down where the error happened and the message that you got, it really will help us tremendously. I'm looking into the possibility of something which might help alleviate all of this reporting, but I'm waiting for the idea to be approved by Chris before I mention it ;).

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I'm on the sorry to hear this. I took yesterday off for some personal reasons but it seems to have been the most chaotic one for people ever. I will be attempting to resolve all problems and answer all questions one by one, but it might take a while. It might result in a new version by the end of the day.
I'd advise you take a deep breath, have something to drink, and have some fun in the mean time. I'll do my very best today, and hopefully I'll explain how things will be getting better.


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  • If my reply is too Vulcan or expressed too much in business-strategy terms, and not particularly personal, I apologise. As a company & project maintainer, time is very limited to me, so usually when I write a reply I try and make it generic advice to all readers. I'm also naturally a joined-up thinker, so I always express my thoughts in combined business and technical terms. I recognise not everyone likes that, don't let my Vulcan-thinking stop you enjoying ocPortal on fun personal projects.
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Don't worry too much, i am not a paying customer ;)



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Well, whilst we don't offer free support for non paying customers, we do resolve real flaws in ocPortal, and we really do value you.


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  • If so, please let others know about ocPortal whenever you see the opportunity.
  • If my reply is too Vulcan or expressed too much in business-strategy terms, and not particularly personal, I apologise. As a company & project maintainer, time is very limited to me, so usually when I write a reply I try and make it generic advice to all readers. I'm also naturally a joined-up thinker, so I always express my thoughts in combined business and technical terms. I recognise not everyone likes that, don't let my Vulcan-thinking stop you enjoying ocPortal on fun personal projects.
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I am glad to hear that. I realize i am a pain the the …  :$

But indeed, from critizism we can learn more then from compliments ;)


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Hi Webrunner,

I would like to echo Allen's sentiments. I won't repeat them so you don't have to read it all again, but we're always listening and reacting, and we always value our users.

Server performance, I noticed that OCP doesn not perform too good on my server, It is much slower as the current forum and other scripts i tried. I understand that OCP is a bigger application with more features but is is still not encouraging.

ocPortal is definitely a bit slower than some of the other well-optimised systems, but it's not in a different order of magnitude. Pete made a good suggestion about PHP 5, and I can confirm it - PHP 5 makes a huge speed boost to ocPortal.

The reason ocPortal has to be a bit slower than some systems is due to the flexibility we've put into Tempcode:
  • Any aspect of the output may be dependant on any other aspect of the output. For example, a block on the left-hand panel might be dependant on the output of a block on the right-hand panel. We can make no assumptions, as it's a modular and extendable system. This means that ocPortal actually data processes a whole page, rather than just sending out output directly.
  • We make no assumptions about what may or may not be dynamic. For example, a calendar block might be specially templated to appear differently on a Thursday - so even with our cacheing we have to store things in an intermediate state.
This effectively turns ocPortal's insides from being a 'script' into a full programming language, and it has to kind of 'sit above' PHP.

Bugs

It's definitely a problem, and as Allen has said, we're considering some solutions in the future. We really are sorry each time a bug comes out and I know it's a real pain to have to report these problems, wait for a fix, and then apply it. Over time, the number of bugs will definitely slow down, and I believe the worst has now passed.

Is there a service that you can provide so you can do it for me?

Yes, we do provide a consultancy service for virtually any kind of work. The service is done at 33/hour, which is cheap for companies, but I appreciate rather expensive for individuals. You may find out about our services at our corporate site, and if you're interested please contact us.

Creating a website un under an hour. I would be carefull in shouting this to hard. The default settings and configuration are far from ideal for most websites.

There's definitely a distinction we have with ocPortal between different kinds of users. The majority of our users, in our experience, just wish to quickly create a website, and are happy with the defaults as long as the site is 'personalised'. Therefore this 'one hour' figure applies to the majority, but we're well aware that there are two other significant majorities:
  • users who want to make something very customised
  • users who want to pay us to make them something very customised
We're commited to helping everyone with ocPortal to the greatest extent that we can, I ensure you we never intentionally mislead with our marketing materials, but rather, talk to what we see as the largest audience.

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Do you reccommend installing cache and php optimizers like eaccellerator?

Yes. We actually have an optimising tutorial that might help a bit. If you can't, on your budget, get ocPortal working fast enough to serve the visitors you have/expect on a site, then I won't recommend ocPortal for that site. ocPortal isn't perfect for all situations, and whilst we have spent days optimising it, we do place the breaking down of assumptions as a higher priority than speed - if it's not a balance that works for a site, then ocPortal unfortunately wouldn't the solution for that site.

1, 2, 5, 8, 12

These sound like good addons. We don't put all suggestions into ocPortal, not because we think they're bad ideas, but because we think they are not appropriate for the majority of our users.

SEF URL's

Are you talking about primary URLs, or a secondary view of the forum intended for search engines to find? Are these real HTML pages (saved to disk), or are they redirected to PHP?

Different smiley-sets

This can be done using themes and theme images.

Manage banner ads per zone and forum

This is possible. You can specify a type for a banner, and then use Tempcode to only show banners of certain types in certain spots. Doing it more directly sounds like something for an addon, for the reasons you posted in the first post of this topic (avoiding confusing users with features most users would not use) ;).

Manual or automated Reminder emails for non activated accounts

Definitely a good idea.

Inline post and topic title editing

We have inline topic title editing for staff.

that switches services like these (and maybe some others)  off

I believe it's off by default.

How many people would find the "refresh button" on their webbrowsers if Microsoft suddenly started naming it "draw again"

Microsoft renamed the Netscape 'reload' button, 'refresh', and the Netscape 'bookmarks', 'favorites', and they had no reason to do it ;).
We did do our rename to avoid confusion, and our view is that some short term confusion is better than allowing misdesigns to build up, because that would lead to much greater long term confusion.


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Well-settled


In one word, fabulous that you managed to answer all my questions!
I really respect that.  :thumbs:

SEF URL's
They are (of course) dynamically created and yes, they should be the primary URL's. As i mentioned before it is not wise to publish the same information under different URL's.

take a look at these forums:
WSN Support
Index :: ZoneMetrics Forum - ZoneX FREE Discussion Board System
and look at the URL's they generate for forums, boards, topics and topic-pages.
Although the forum scripts are not that good i am referring only to their SEF URL's.
They are redirecte to PHP using apache's mod_rewrite. vB just added this functionality too.

Speed:
This answer worries me a bit since i am looking for a solution for several sites, a few of wich are very busy indeed. O_o
Although i totally "get" what you are saying and i understand that OCP is more like an application framework, this means that i would need twice the hardware to get the same performance ans speed i am having now.
Could you give me some information on the busiest site that runs OCP? How many visitors/pageviews and what kind of hardware does it run on?
Does this also mean that OCP is a "query-hungry" application? (loads of queries run for showing one page?)


Last but not least: if you need advertising maybe you should try and get an interview on Admin Zone Forums - Discussion Forums & Resources for Online Community Administrators
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I do like that SEF idea, so I'll put that down as a future idea.

Does this also mean that OCP is a "query-hungry" application? (loads of queries run for showing one page?)

It's around 15 if I remember correctly. If any page is using ridiculous amounts, we'll optimise it if the problem's pointed out.

Could you give me some information on the busiest site that runs OCP?

I don't have that information at this time unfortunately, and I can't ethically go and find out because I shouldn't bother/spy on our customers. Next time I have access to that data I'll get it though.

Last but not least: if you need advertising maybe you should try and get an interview on Admin Zone Forums - Discussion Forums & Resources for Online Community Administrators

Lol, read the second most recent interview.


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Webrunner said

Could you give me some information on the busiest site that runs OCP? How many visitors/pageviews and what kind of hardware does it run on?
Although it's not quite what you asked for, I can tell you that an ocPortal-driven website is running with the following statistics:

  • Forums:
    • Members: 1,758
    • Topics: 10,937
    • Posts: 179,362
 (Taken from the website's statistics block)

I can also tell you that the webserver used for the above website has more than four installations of ocPortal running on it. One of these other sites served 504,957 hits a month.


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