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 I'm probably being a bit bold by throwing out a topic like this when I'm so new to the community but I hope it will be interesting and good for the community to hear a new persons first views. There is a lot of good stuff in ocPortal, for example I think it's by far the best portal/cms that offers integration with IPB and that alone should get you quite a few customers. There are two main ideas that I have for ocPortal and then some tiny ones.

1. The integration with IPB market is definently quite big but I see another potential market for ocPortal which is small firms and generally entities that need your ecommerce module. The stuff you got at the moment is pretty good at first sight but there is one thing that I feel is really missing. If you manage to integrate into ocPortal the option of having sort of a tree structure with the catalogues in the sense that a catalogue can have sub-catalogues (that don't necessarily have to have the same fields as the parent catalogue) and that you can even have empty catalogues that only contain subcatalogues for organisation then you will in my oppinion have one of the strongest candidates for small companies out there. The reason I say that is that if you want to promote your material online in a catalogue and you want to enforce a ceirtan setup of your things then the only CMS that allow you to do that at the moment are systems like eZ, Typo3 and Drupal. The problem with those however is that they are not at all easy to use, the learning curve is extremely steep. Now compare that to ocPortal which is so easy to use (in a good way). There I think you have an unclaimed market.

2. My second observation is that I feel that it would greately benefit you to have a mod (or component or whatever you want to call it) installer. I see two main advantages of including this:
a) You can involve the community a lot more. I'm told that one of the reasons that Joomla is so popular (despite the fact that their layout doesn't follow standards etc) is that there is such an abundance of modules from the community and they are so easy to install. I think that similarly then IPB has benefitted from having an active modifcation community.
b) You could offer two downloadable versions of ocPortal, one containing all your stuff and another one with only the bare essentials. This would attract developers a lot more in my oppinion to ocPortal. For example I am not interested on my sites to have point systems, quizzes etc. I don't want to go through the trouble of erasing those for every single install. I rather want a bare essentials installation and then add mods as I need them which would be a breeze with the new mod install system.

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3. I feel there should only be one necessary zone, the adminzone. I feel that all other zones should be optional (and you can create and control them at will through the admin panel). The zone idea is really good though in my oppinion. One thing has puzzled me though. What if someone wants to have many sitaccesses to his site through various zones yet you have only one personal zone, how would you then skin it for a person that only uses one siteaccess (or zone), of course under the assumption that the different sitaccesses (zones) have wildly different skins?

4. There is something about having to use ftp to update files and fix the site tree that gives me a bad feeling. Maybe it's because it only works like 1 out of each 10 times on my host (yet connecting to my ftp through a dedicated ftp program seems to be no problem). Maybe that stuff can be stored in a database and rather use a more powerful cache then to use this ftp method?

5. The default template is pretty good in my oppinion. There is one thing about it though that really gets on my nerves, it's the heading on each page. I mean the lightblue box below the bar with "Site, Forums, Personal Zone etc" that has the page title in big letters and underlined. I just think it shouldn't be there at all (but I of course understand that others might love it, lol).

6. And if you have either implemented or rejected or bit of both for all my suggestions then I wouldn't mind a media center where you can control images, music, local videos and videos from Google video and YouTube. I know you sort of have it at the moment it's just the addition with music and importing videos from Google Video and Youtube that I'm looking for :P

7. Ok, I go to the Content Manager here on this website and I can click on the option "Comcode pages" and there I can see all the existing comcode pages if I wanted to edit them, of course I can't edit them but I still see them. I also see the menu button for Security, Usage etc. Is this normal? Can the users view be restricted in the Content Manager so that he only sees what he can do?

I hope none of the above comes across as me being mean or unfair because my honest intentions is just to give the development team an idea what a user thinks and hope that it can help them.
 

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I'm probably being a bit bold by throwing out a topic like this when I'm so new to the community

In some ways, it's the best time for it. Thanks.

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I've seen this thrown round a few times recently, so I may as well come out and say something equivalent has been planned for a very long time. It's just a matter of priorities, for one of the programmers to get around to implementing it - I agree it's definitely good to have for certain kind of sites.

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We have it – addons, auto-installable via our server. I wish people would start making more addons, and we'd host them, but unfortunately it's not happening despite our efforts of encouragement :(.

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A quick lookup on 'siteaccesses' tells me it's an eZ feature. This isn't really the same as zones – zones are basically directories of the same site, whilst 'siteaccesses' are multiple sites. The public version of ocPortal does have tremendous support for running unlimited sites from a single installation, but it's not really supported; we use it for our own hosting service, which uses a single install per-server.

What you request for zones though, does exist:
  • You can set zones to have different themes :).
  • the only assumed zone is the Admin Zone. All others may be merged/renamed/split as desired. The welcome zone is necessary but it'd have to be because it's the root directory - you could delete the site zone though, moving all the modules into the welcome zone. That makes upgrading tricky because PHP files get moved, but it's perfectly doable :).

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It is worrying that this isn't working consistently for you - we've not heard of problems here before. Is there an error message? Possibly we could try and make some kind of workaround for you.
We don't want to start storing files in the database, however - there are a lot of problems associated with that.

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Change the first line of the GLOBAL.tpl template to:

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{$SET,SHOW_MANAGEMENT,{$AND,{$OR,{$EQ,{$ZONE},adminzone},{$EQ,{$ZONE},cms}},{$HAS_ZONE_ACCESS,adminzone}}}


We are somewhat secretive with what we do or don't do in the future, for competitive reasons and so that we don't create expectations based on changing situtations. So like with all feedback, I have avoided directly replying to certain points. We always read every word, to plan out new features though :).


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Add ons are some thing I plan on doing after the skins, I need to learn the system first.
My first add on will be an arcade because in my opinion ocPortal is only missing an arcade, might be why no add ons have been submitted.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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We have it - addons, auto-installable via our server. I wish people would start making more addons, and we'd host them, but unfortunately it's not happening despite our efforts of encouragement
I see it now in addons. Awesome :thumbs: I wish I had the time (and skills) to contribute.

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Siteaccesses is indeed lingo I picked up from eZ, lol. Well I figured that you could probably use the zone structure to set up many sites from the same installation. I think it's a great strength of ocPortal and it would be sweet to add a small guide about it in the documentation and perhaps add it to the featurelist (if it isn't there already).

I had some beef against the Welcome zone but I didn't realise that it was the root zone. I think this distinction between "site" and "welcome" zones is a bit confusing for people coming from other systems. Sure I generally have some main page but does it make sense to have it in a special zone? How about merging the two in the default distribution?

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I think I sort of got all possible error messages and also cases where it would I think just time out (I'd be left with a blank white page). Don't worry too much about it, I think it's an issue with my host (and it isn't the only issue I have with my host :dry:)


Thank you so much for the quick answer. ocPortal definently gets a thumb up for having a very friendly community :thumbs:
 

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How about merging the two in the default distribution?

The Setup Wizard can do this for you, essentially :).


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Ah I see, that was one of the features I missed when the ftp messed up my setup wizard  :$

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jojo1313 said



Thank you so much for the quick answer. ocPortal definently gets a thumb up for having a very friendly community :thumbs:
 
  I would agree.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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One thing I have noticed with playing around with this is that the add ons features is a lot like the package feature for smf. There are only minor differences between the 2 system, which is kind of cool.
Also I am really close to having the first skin avalable for download. There is a problem though It will not have any OCF edits as thats prooving to be more complex code and templates to weed though.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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"Can the users view be restricted in the Content Manager so that he only sees what he can do?"

I would love that!

And can we have a forum feature where both the user and others can see what posts the user has made? I can see new posts since I visited but often I cannot find my own posts to see if there's been an update. Yes there's a bit in the "personal zone" but something on the forum itself would be better, if perhaps just a direct link to that "last 15 posts" thingy.

Am gonna check if Chris's global.tpl thingy works.. :)

Even if it only blocks off the Admin back-end buttons from normal users it would be a help.


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"Can the users view be restricted in the Content Manager so that he only sees what he can do?"

I would love that!

Have you tried going into the permissions tree editor and denying read access for members to the content management zone modules? I believe that will work.

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You can do it by module?

I'm up to my eyeballs at the moment with other stuff but will try that out ASAP!  :thumbs:
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I find that with Ocportal a lot of addons or things that others may want to do have been implemented in Ocportal already.

One thing that is diff with ocportal is the ability to change themes/colors. I know there is a theme editor, but one doesnt have complete control over colors.

To me it is not that big of a deal, but as addons go, it would be nice to see more features for changing themes.

I really like the admin features and since I manage several sites it is nice to have a feature providing control of members and areas without having to search.
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One thing that is diff with ocportal is the ability to change themes/colors. I know there is a theme editor, but one doesnt have complete control over colors.

Sure it does, but you need to do it by editing CSS :).


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  • If my reply is too Vulcan or expressed too much in business-strategy terms, and not particularly personal, I apologise. As a company & project maintainer, time is very limited to me, so usually when I write a reply I try and make it generic advice to all readers. I'm also naturally a joined-up thinker, so I always express my thoughts in combined business and technical terms. I recognise not everyone likes that, don't let my Vulcan-thinking stop you enjoying ocPortal on fun personal projects.
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Using the theme wizard you can make hundreds of the same theme in different colors, one thing I really like.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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"Have you tried going into the permissions tree editor and denying read access for members to the content management zone modules? I believe that will work."

Just to check, if I say no access for a newby on the CMS bit, they can still read the news on the front site etc? They just won't see "News" if they click on "Content Management"?

At the moment I have it set that newbys cannot access content management at all but would like to give them access so some bits, just not things such as creating comcode pages and so on.


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"Have you tried going into the permissions tree editor and denying read access for members to the content management zone modules? I believe that will work."

Just to check, if I say no access for a newby on the CMS bit, they can still read the news on the front site etc? They just won't see "News" if they click on "Content Management"?

That's correct. You're just denying permission to the cms:news module, which is responsible for adding/editing and such. The site:news module allows people to view news, and provided you leave that alone, people will still be able to read the news.

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