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Facebook sucks!

So I wanted to set up the FB integration with one of my sites.  In order to register to get an API key my only option is to give them my Cell Number!!!! Can you believe this?? Absolutely no way those bastards  are getting my cell number! Pisses me off to no end! Oh well screw FB I am not giving them my cell number for nothing! So much for FB integration then. Bah I hate FB!
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I've put my addresses and phone numbers onto my Facebook profile, and nothing bad has come of it.


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Well I am not keen on sharing my cell number and when your read articles like this Cell phone users ‘have no legitimate expectation of privacy’ – judge — RT USA it might help you to understand why.

I have no problems giving them other personal info to identify me but a cell number should be unecessary and when someone wants only that as an option to identify you it must make you wonder what exactly do they need that particular info for? So they can add other demographics to the amazing amounts of data they have on you? hmm
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I'm with you Duck.

I really dislike blindly sharing my personal information with anyone that simply asks for it. When a company like FB, that has a history of not giving a damn about users privacy is involved, I am even more reluctant to fork over such info.

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I just set my phone number profile to ME ONLY. I've had no issues …
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I've had no issues …

BBC News - Millions exposed by Facebook data glitch
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Yup. Saw that one. Anyone thinks that their privacy is 'protected' on-line needs to look further. FB is just another place where you have to be careful what you put on-line. Just pretend that anything you put on-line will be used against you eentually …
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A cellphone is walking bugging and tracking device you carry with you at all times. Someone with the right skills and access to tech can tell exactly where you are at all times and even listen in on your private conversations if they like and I am not even talking your phone calls. I share my cell number with no services online not even for email notifications or anything. You are only asking for trouble if you do this.
For contact numbers I only give landline numbers ever if needed. Our privacy in this world is in a very high speed race of disappearing altogether.  There is truly hardly any real privacy left and there is something about that that just creeps me out and makes the hairs on the back of my neck stand.
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Unfortunately, today FB is being used extensively by millions of kids to bully their peers. This has led to suicides and undue amounts of pain or traumatic experiences for others. Since parents give cell phones to their kids like a bag of 'smarties' and landlines have mostly disappeared from the landscape for many others, especially in the third world, we should not fault FB for attempting to keep some kind of a record on the perpetrators for future reference. This is besides the many other sordid and malicious usages of FB by adults.

I agree with you Duck that "a cellphone is a walking bugging and tracking device", but it is getting so cheap in most markets that it is conceivable to own two chips, one attached to a smart device giving your life away and another on an emergency device well protected from prying hackers.
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that will likely be my resolve a disposable phone for registration.

I agree about FB's problems and truly think it is a terrible platform for a multitude of issues that are helping to degrade many morals in todays society but I don't believe their requirement of phone numbers is purely for the purpose of enforcing good behaviour of offenders. heck no.

Its funny how people thought it was atrocious that Gestapo of 1940 had the power to invade homes without warrant invade privacy without probable cause and had powers that no enforcement officer should have yet today the same powers are being gradually implemented in the same free nations that fought against that type of tyranny.

In Canada a police officer can Automatically suspend your license and impound your car for 30 days if speeding over 50 km hour past speed limit. No trial nothing. A great tool for abuse. Better not get lippy over being pulled over for that broken tailight or before you know it you were speeding too!

Goverment AND CIVILIAN agencies can enter a home under the guise of supsected terrorism (that they can classify themselves) and detain you or your possesions without warrant or rights to lawyers etc.

Many many other minor civil liberties are disappearing at alarming rates and privacy is no longer the right one was born with but only a faded ideal of history.

People should be more afraid than they are. You may trust what your current government is doing for you is good. But what about the government of 50 years from now? Any ground given up now will never be returned!
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Sorry Jean, but FB's collection of mobile numbers and other personal detail is not very altruistic in nature, it is mostly an audience targeting measure.

Just because certain personal information can be helpful in certain enforcement situations doesn't mean is must be collected.

Hackers are not that interested in mobile numbers, its the scammers and ID thieves you have to worry about. My father receives international lottery scam SMS' and call back scams (+44 70xx), yet he has never given out his mobile number to anyone other then close friends and the occasional local business and he doesn't use the internet.

Getting a 'second chip' may be a workaround (sort-of), but it is certainly not a convenient one. And here in Australia you are actually required to provide ID when purchasing disposable (we call them prepaid) SIMs, so it technically makes no difference from a tracking/identification point of view.

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here thee prepaid phones don't require any identification but it is not so much the identification I am concerned about.
I am asking to  be trusted with access to their API I am willing to have myself identified. But there should be optional ways to perform that. and a reply from an sms message is not much identification since I can borrow someones old phone and turn it on with a $10 prepaid card and then go throw it away when I am done. PITA nonetheless but certainly doable and they will be left with no identification but more importantly no bugging tracking spamming device info that I don't want them to have.
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OK, so in your FB situation using a throwaway cell number will only protect your from spamming. Tracking and bugging are not possible just by providing a cell number or replying to an SMS.

Only Telco's (and of course Governments with the help of Telco's) can bug/track you given only a cell number. For anyone else that is only achievable if they install an app on your phone, and that could potentially happen if you click a link received by SMS, but them knowing your cell number will not assist them in tracking you otherwise.

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I do understand that the tracking bugging portion is not easy and in general would require an elevated access to technology. However let us not forget facebook originated from Zuckerburg hacking into various harvard servers and extracting personal details of members of various houses in its infant stages. But as you say with all the options to install apps into smart phones accidents may also happen. As for government agencies in Canadian some of those agencies while appointed by the government are technically civilian agencies with ties to MI5-6 and CIA and I know someone who was personally attacked harassed and had their equipment copied then destroyed while investigating a possible corporate scandal that would have been big news if it got out.
No warrants simply a couple bullies in suits forcing their way in and offering threats.  Scary stuff but it is the world we live in and it is methodically getting worse. Notice everywhere is trying their damndest to get cell numbers (google, yahoo, banks etc) but most of them are for now making it optional (although they annoy you for it at every turn). There is far more value in that number than one might think. Not just simply spam marketing either. Even if it is originally their thought there is room for abuse beyond that. Far too much room.
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Oh to further add if hackers have been able to get the numbers from faceboook in the past whats to stop someone from a governement or telco position from doing so and selling off /abusing info about you to whoomever for whatever reason. Yes I know I sound like a paranoid conspiracy freak but seriously when someone gives you only one option for identifying yourself and that option is for you the least secure option towards ensuring your privacy my hairs tingle. If it smells fishy chances are there's something stinky down there!
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There is far more value in that number than one might think. Not just simply spam marketing either.
Definitely, and in most cases its gold as it uniquely identifies individuals. Email addresses are largely useless unless you happen to use an email address provided by your ISP. Landline numbers are better, but they can only identify the household, and cell numbers will identify an individual. So when you use a cell number to authenticate yourself across multiple sites/organisations those accounts all become intrinsically linked even if you used different names and email addressed with every one of them.

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Even if it is originally their thought there is room for abuse beyond that. Far too much room.
Exactly why I very rarely give mine out, I just don't know what they may decide to do in the future with that info, or how well they can safeguard it.

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Yes I know I sound like a paranoid conspiracy freak…
There can be a very fine line between being paranoid and just security/privacy conscious. O_o


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Hey Duck,

Don't know if you are already aware of this, but It appears that you have been the victim of a massive privacy breach.

More details here: Personal details of hundreds of victims released to the public.


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My French is pretty ropey, but if you are referring to the linkage to 'ducktrees', then I'm inclined to agree with you that duck has possibly suffered a massive breach …!!

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Yes Fletch, that is indeed the breach I was referring to.

I've fixed the link now.

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