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[Suggestion] Admin Zone page consolidation

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decreasing the amount of clicks required to do an action or access an admin zone page

Greetings,

I am not sure if this is the right place for this topic. If not, please move with my apologies.

I am also not sure if this has been suggested before, and if not, am not sure why it hasn't. Heck, I am not sure why I haven't brought this up before.

Anyways, over the years of working with and loving ocPortal, there has always been one thing that has aggravated me or that I felt was unnecesary. That is, the amount of clicks and pages needed to get to an area.

For example,

When I want to work on my theme, say a template or a css file, I have to first click on Style. Then I click on Manage Themes. Here I get the crazy page that says Add Theme or Manage Themes, so once again I click on Manage Themes. It is here where I can finally work on my theme.

I think it would be easier for the admin and make more sense to do one of the following options;

1.) Click on Style, then Manage Themes, and then you get your themes with all the lovely things you can do with a link button at the top that says "Add Theme", completely taking out the need for the "Add Theme or Manage Themes" page, or…

2.) Add a "Add Theme" link button to the style page, taking out the need for the "Add Theme or Manage Themes" page… or

3.) Do both.

This I think makes more sense and takes out an unnecessary click. ah, i know you got the wonderful search option and all, but this suggestion would help with making the admin zone more accessible and user friendly for the admin I believe.

It is not only when working with themes do we have this either… We have this issue with several different areas in the admin zone. Another area is Forums.

Click on Structure, then click on Forums, then you get the Manage Forums page that has Add Forum Grouping, Edit Forum Grouping, Add Forum, Edit Forum. You click on whatever you want there and get to work.

Granted this is not as bad as working with themes, but here's a suggestion. When you click on Forums, you get the page that you would get when you go to Edit Forum. Here you could have the edit link for forums and groupings/categories so that you could edit both from the same page (or access the edit function). You can add button links to create a forum and a grouping/category right there on that page. This would enable you to get rid of that manage forums page and make it easier to and faster to do edits to both forums and categories as well as adding forums and categories.

Anyways, I hope this suggestion is helpful. ocPortal is a wonderful product, and I really don't have anything much to complain about. I just think that these things could be helpful and make it more streamlined and user friendly for the admin. At least it would for me…

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Please ping back on this if it's still an issue after the announcement we are soon going to make.


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Greetings,

Regarding the discussion on going about possible ways to make ocPortal even better I have decided to take some time to expand some more on this consolidate the admin zone suggestion and made a few mock ups. Please note that I don't have a lot of time to make awesome mock-ups so these won't be graphically inspiring, but should at least so some examples on how to improve the admin zone (IMO).

I had thought about putting this in the discussion regarding not meeting the nominations for the packet award, but though it would be better not to do so. I had also thought about making a new thread, but since this is on the same subject as this thread, I figured this was best.

Here's an idea for making the admin zone main page more user friendly…


Note a few things here…
1.) I want to keep the drop down menus.

2.) The basic functions are all there, just rearranged in a form I think is more benifical.

3.) I left staff forum there, is there any plans/ways of giving moderators partial admin zone rights? I imagine this is in the permission tree I just have to do some digging.

4.) The Quick links should not come with so many links already I think, but should come with links regarding ocPortal, such as Support, tutorials, forums, add-ons, and themes.

5.) I put a Quick Tools box here, which could be populated with your top most used tools, though this might be redundant with the quick links.



Here is a mock-up of the Zones page. I think that having Edit Blocks for Zones plus having the Add or Edit Zones Page and then the Edit Zones page when clicking on the Zones menu item is highly redundant. In this example I combine them so that when you click on the Zones menu item you are greeted with a page that you can add, edit, or remove zones as well as edit the zone blocks/boxes/columns.

I think combining these tools into one easy to use page will reduce mouse clicking, searching for the right page to do a task with zones, and make it over all faster and easier to use and administrate.



Here is another example, but with Forums. Right now when you click on the Forums menu link you get a page that has Add Forum, Add Forum Grouping, and Edit Forum. Then you are taken to a page to do either.

I think this can be simplified into one page. Here I out a way to add forums and add forum groups on the same page that you would edit your forums and/or their order. Why have three separate pages for something that can be done from one page? It would greatly increase the user friendliness of the whole process as well as decrease the time needed to do such things.

My mock up is just a crude example by the way. There is likely an even better way to do this, and keeping the edit forum page as is while adding the add forum/forum grouping functions to it would achieve the same desired effect. In fact, you could probably do away with Add Forum Grouping if you put an option in the Add/Edit forum to make the forum a forum grouping.



Here is the mock up of the page that inspired this idea so to speak. I had gotten so aggravated of the extra screens and such when working on my theme, so I made this suggestion. It goes without saying I think that if you can limit mouse clicks and condense pages in a simple manner, then you should because it will make the page, site, or in this case admin zone so much more user friendly and simple to use.

On this mock up I want to show that you can put a button or link in to add theme or import a theme, right on the edit themes page, taking out the need for that in between page that says edit theme or add theme. For the most part it will be the same as the current Manage Themes page, but with the Add Theme, Upload Theme, and Color Wizard (aka theme wizard) built into the page. This would make dealing with themes easier with less clicking around to find the right page.

Anyways I hope these quick mock ups help illustrate the idea better. The goal here is to make the ocPortal admin zone more intuitive and user friendly, not to take out features and functions. In fact you could add even more functionality if you wanted to with these edits. Condensing functions more logically into single pages and doing away with the unnecessary add/upload/edit pages is a big step towards this goal. There are more areas in the admin zone that this could be done in but I didn't have the time to make the mock ups for them.

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Great work, thanks - I'm going to reference this on the tracker.


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No problem, I only hope it helps.

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