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I have a question not sure if this is the right place to ask but here goes, i have made a website on domestic violence which is still in the making and being updated but is still lactive and online www.bruised-and-confused.co.uk but want to make the website untraceable i.e cookies that go back to a different website, anything saved within logs on client side will all show a differetn website is this possible, i do have a second site im able to point everything bk to which is also on my host and im using ocportal for that too and i dont mind paying for techncial support on this depending on how much it costs lol although anytips or advise would still be very appreciated im not very good at programing but i am learning slowly many thanks Jules creator of UADV
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also if this can be done or made in an add on form or bots etc im more than happy to share and help others out
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Hi,

Your biggest concern should be browser history. There's no way (as far as I know, anyway) for a site to tell a web browser not to put it in the user's history.
I know Google Chrome has a nice 'Clear Browsing Data' feature where I could tell it to delete everything from the last hour. Incognito mode is good also. You could try and educate your users on it.

Regarding cookies…
ocPortal shouldn't be storing cookies without requesting first, except session cookies which are auto-deleted when the browser window is closed (you might want to test this). We did this to comply with the EU cookies directive anyway.

Regarding browser caching, something like…
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(enabling that will increase the bandwidth your site uses though)


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well that google chrome clear browser data wouild be nice to know lol and yes i sort off figured that one but im alittle subburn at times and really want to find a way to make this possible mainy for the non computer literate users i have as memebers, i will defo try and test out that and i will get back to you then it, i have been looking for a website platform like for my website(S) and i love it im more than happy to share any mods addon etc i manage to make if any at all lol and thank you for getting bk to me so fast also thank you for the link.
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ps sorry for posting in the wrong part lol
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and yes your spot on my biggest concern is browsing history on client side, but i will find a way to do it within time
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Just offering some thoughts to you. I don't believe there is a way for you to automatically clear a persons history however I do know some people have some very interesting methods of reading history via various hack methods including but not limited to using Javascript. That said I was thinking perhaps one of the best things you could do maybe is employ one of those methods to determine if the end users is using efficient methods to cover their own tracks and if not redirect them to a page that teaches them how to?  Just a thought.
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Unfortunately I don't thing there is any foolproof way of masking browsing history from the client side. The best way I think has to be educating users to use Incognito mode/Safe mode etc. of their browser. And I would put a big/obvious statement at the top of every page (with a link to how-to instructions) to make sure that no matter how they get there they will find the link to the instructions quickly.

In the instructions I would also inform them that they have left a trail just finding your site in the first place and that they may want to cover up those tracks also.

Not only will this help them with your site but also other related/sensitive sites/browsing they do.

Duck said

That said I was thinking perhaps one of the best things you could do maybe is employ one of those methods to determine if the end users is using efficient methods to cover their own tracks and if not redirect them to a page that teaches them how to?
I'd stay well clear of that as to me that is a big break in trust to read someone else's history even if the intentions are good and the script behaves nicely (i.e. only looks for yoursite.com in the history). The same goes with clearing the history (assuming that was a way to do that).


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Well my thought was it could be used to determine that the person is not browsing in Safe Mode and as such flash a big pop-up that says you are not using safe mode please do this  and this before continuing type thing.  I understand your level of trust idea and issue but I think you'd actually gain more trust by showing that you are concerned enough  to double check and instruct for a persons safety.  It is something I would never have thought of before of its importance but after realizing how bad a situation it could be for someone given the subject matter for which they are seeking assistance I think it might be an excellent idea to utilize any and ALL means you can to help protect the user.  I am sure it could be designed whereby it does not reveal any of the end users history to anyone.
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All this said, moot point given the browsers have all closed the history probing loophole ;).


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thank you for all your comments over the last few days ive been looking over a rather varies amount of internet procotol as well as trying to read up on browser history looking for loop holes any addons its possible to make and the only thing i can think that its possible to work but still unsure is to make a mirror site which techincally i do already have and anyone not logged in see this site anyone logged in properly they can see the proper site i realise that if you looged in it would still show up on the clients side brwosing history so techncially would solve the problem but i think its possible it work enought to stop that person being hurt because they tried to get help, and i see it as me having to protect the people im trying to help , im not the best at programming no where near infact only just started so i can make this site and the work i do for the group which i created
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oh just a though is there no program written preferably in open source lol that someone can download to automaticallly delete there cookie on exit of the browser as i know this can be done on client browsing side only in just thinking of all the NON TECHNICAL PEOPLE OUT THERE
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and thank you very much all for your comments and ideas and thoughs its highly apprecaited it
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I'd stay well clear of that as to me that is a big break in trust to read someone else's history even if the intentions are good and the script behaves nicely (i.e. only looks for yoursite.com in the history). The same goes with clearing the history (assuming that was a way to do that).

i can completely see where your coming from on that  as i dont really want to be able to see there side and i know i would feel uncomfortable knowing someone could see mine , although the intentions are good i dont want people thinking im trying to hack them or cause mailious wories etc about my website and groups , and i know i cant have it the way i want it which is for google to find my main site and another off main site which goes into there browsing history which if looked up would show a different website like a book shop for eg maybe this is something i would nbeed to talk to google about and weather its possble but as im not loaded ill have to try and find a work around  that doesnt conflict with any laws or regs and thank you all for your help and advise and when i do find a work around i will let you know
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although i believe or think its my responsibility to ensure people are aware that logs are being taken and that its not untracelable and how to make it safer for the user , im know getting the client to understand your instruction can be very tricky online i used to work in techncal support for a internet company and im able to explain how to do this with some ease but only you cant get a feel for the persons pc literacy level , and i want to be able to make it as easi as possbile for those who are not used to using a computer like a button placed into my website would do atm untill i can find a better way, or learn to make my own coding for this that doesnt conflict with and laws or regs etc
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although i think that was along the line duck of what duck was saying and on that note

It is something I would never have thought of before of its importance but after realizing how bad a situation it could be for someone given the subject matter for which they are seeking assistance I think it might be an excellent idea to utilize any and ALL means you can to help protect the user.  I am sure it could be designed whereby it does not reveal any of the end users history to anyone.  DUCK i couldnt agree more what what you said there mate
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I have updated my acc profile if anyone wises to see the website i am working on regarding this issue or wishes to know more about my group/website
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