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When I first looked at it, I assumed it was to import members and what not from one install ocPortal to another.
How ever it is not exactly what I was thinking and does not do what I though it did.
All it does it import member and what not from different forums and even ocPortal into ocPortal.
How ever the ocPortal the you are importing to has to have the ocf from what I can tell any way, making it not do what I wanted to use it for.
I am not sure why it shows up if your not even using the ocf as it needs to be able to work.
Unless I am wrong and it should be able to work with no matter what forum you are using which is exactly what I want and what I thought it was for.
I remember at one time when I was having huge problems with ocf I switched to smf and tried to use the importer then and was told by Chris that you can not do that as the forum drivers are not the same.
How ever recently and this was posted in another topic I tried to import from one ocPortal install using IPB to another ocPortal install using IPB but I was getting and error, an error which Chris got an email about and posted about, which confused another member and started a very interesting topic.

 

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The forum importers are there to allow people to move towards OCF. The 'ocp merge' importer can merge multiple ocPortal websites together that either:
  • each run on OCF (and thus, OCF data gets merged)
  • or, each share a forum
It is not possibly for ocPortal to merge third-party forum data.


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 Thanks for repeating what I mentioned in my posts.

My question how ever still remains.

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Here is a new question though.
could it be used to copy the ocPortal data from one install to another with out using ocf.
Data such as downloads, cedi and other ocPortal content.

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amichan said

 Thanks for repeating what I mentioned in my posts.

My question how ever still remains.


I'm not sure what the question is, as none was directly posed. If you're not using OCF then you might want to be importing the forum you are currently using via a forum driver in order to import it into, and then switch to, OCF – so that explains why the forum importers show up. The merge importer shows up for the 'share a forum' situation I mentioned.

amichan said

Here is a new question though.
could it be used to copy the ocPortal data from one install to another with out using ocf.
Data such as downloads, cedi and other ocPortal content.

This would only work correctly if the installations shared a forum.


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Chris Graham said

I'm not sure what the question is, as none was directly posed. If you're not using OCF then you might want to be importing the forum you are currently using via a forum driver in order to import it into, and then switch to, OCF - so that explains why the forum importers show up. The merge importer shows up for the 'share a forum' situation I mentioned.

  The question was why does it show up if your not using ocf?
According to every thing you said you have to have ocf in order to even use it.
I have now seen 3 members of this site confused as to what this feature is even for, me being one of them. The other had posted about using it in the same fashion I was tried except they were trying to go from ocf to ipb, I forgot who that was or what the post title was.


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Chris Graham said

This would only work correctly if the installations shared a forum.
  Umm I asked at one time if that was even posible and was told no.
Now I am really confused.

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You can:
  • Import third-party forums into ocPortal/OCF, in order to move away from the third-party forums, if there is an importer.
  • Import other systems into ocPortal/OCF, if there is an importer.
  • Merge other ocPortal sites into an ocPortal site IF either:
    • All the ocPortal sites use exactly the same forum. Not just the same software, but the same forum database (the same members, and the same usergroups)
    • No third-party forums are involved.

You cannot:
  • Do anything that would have to create data for a third-party forum. Such as:
    • Merge an ocPortal site into a non-OCF based ocPortal site that does not use the same forum database and third-party software.
    • Try and use an ocPortal importer to import data directly into a third-party forum.
  • Move from one forum database/software to another UNLESS you are moving to OCF, by importing the old forum into OCF.

The reasoning is as follows:
  • ocPortal will not populate the database of third-party software, except for some minor exceptions like when comment topics are created during normal operations. This is not ocPortal data, and ocPortal does not understand it fully – ocPortal forum drivers only uses specific areas of a third-party forum, not the whole database.
  • ocPortal will always use forum member IDs and usergroup IDs to reference things, such as permissions and ownership. By switching forums, or otherwise interrupting the continuity of the data for the third-party forum ocPortal is using, those IDs will be corrupted and hence ocPortal data would become incorrect.


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Chris Graham said

You can:
  • Import third-party forums into ocPortal/OCF, in order to move away from the third-party forums, if there is an importer.
  • Import other systems into ocPortal/OCF, if there is an importer.
  • Merge other ocPortal sites into an ocPortal site IF either:

  Ok that is what I said.


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Chris Graham said


You cannot:
  • Do anything that would have to create data for a third-party forum. Such as:
      Merge an ocPortal site into a non-OCF based ocPortal site that does not use the same forum database and third-party software.
    • Try and use an ocPortal importer to import data directly into a third-party forum.
    [*]Move from one forum database/software to another UNLESS you are moving to OCF, by importing the old forum into OCF.[/*]



Thats also what I posted in my post.

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amichan said

Here is a new question though.
could it be used to copy the ocPortal data from one install to another with out using ocf.
Data such as downloads, cedi and other ocPortal content.
I still am confused why this would not work cuz if it works with the same database what keeps it from working with more then one.

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amichan said

 The question was why does it show up if your not using ocf?



  This question still remains, All I got so far is what I already know and posted in my posts with less details then yours.

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Ok I am going to start from the beginning.
First I had posted this topic do to figuring out what this feature is for that and I did want to verify that I was right. Which has been done.
How ever why is it there if I can not use it unless I use ocf, which I did not pick during the install.
The system should have realized I picked to use a third party forum and not ocf and either changed the way the feature works or not have it show up at all.
The change would be that it would not ask for the database as the database would have to be the same, like you said above, The other change would to only be able to select the forum you are using or not have to select one at all.


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I still am confused why this would not work cuz if it works with the same database what keeps it from working with more then one.

Because the member and usergroup IDs referenced by imported data (downloads, for example) would not carry over correctly.

I've explained that the importers will work without OCF currently being used under those two conditions in my first post. This is the reason the importers are shown – because they really do have uses for some people on an install like yours – for those wanting to move to OCF, and for those who are merging from forum-sharing ocPortal installs. For the moving-to-OCF situation, it could be from any database, so this is the reason it has to ask.
There are a lot of ways data might be moved around, so the system can't make false assumptions.


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I am getting more and more confused with each post you post. It is like the science the more you understand the more questions you have.

How ever I do feel as if I am taking you away from more important things. You already confirmed what I thought.
It is my opinion that this feature needs rewriten in order to provent people like my self from getting confused about it.

Here is one last question that answer will answer the other question that has yet to be answered.

What can I use this for with the way I have my site set up?
If you wish I will try all the opinions and see if I get any results as in your post above you said I should be able to use it yet in another post you say I can not, which is what has me confused the most.

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I will mention one question I had for months about another feature was answered in this thread and that was the option on the installation below where you pick your forum. It is the option to link to more then one network.

It does not do what the wording suggests how ever it allows you to several ocPortal installs that use the same forum database.
I think I had another thread about that and the wording was going to be changed, why it has not I would assume is cuz its not that important and bugs needed to be fixed first.

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The two situations that would work:
  • If you are merging from another site sharing the same forum database as is currently being used. The same forum database but not the same ocPortal database – hence the database would need to be asked for.
  • If you were merging from something else but you decided, for whatever reason, to ignore ocProducts advice about corrupt member and usergroup IDs, because you'd go and fix them manually in the database. This is not advised because it requires complex technical work, but some people might want to do it and if they did, would save them a lot of time.

The installer text was changed…

2.1.x said

Do you intend to have a network with multiple sites, or use separate application and database servers?

2.6.x said

Do you intend to join an existing network of multiple sites, and/or have separated forum and portal databases, and/or use separate application and database servers?


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Chris Graham said

The two situations that would work:
  • If you are merging from another site sharing the same forum database as is currently being used. The same forum database but not the same ocPortal database – hence the database would need to be asked for.
  • If you were merging from something else but you decided, for whatever reason, to ignore ocProducts advice about corrupt member and usergroup IDs, because you'd go and fix them manually in the database. This is not advised because it requires complex technical work, but some people might want to do it and if they did, would save them a lot of time.



Than why am I getting an error?

Or say this.

Chris Graham said


You cannot:

    * Do anything that would have to create data for a third-party forum. Such as:
          o Merge an ocPortal site into a non-OCF based ocPortal site that does not use the same forum database and third-party software.
          o Try and use an ocPortal importer to import data directly into a third-party forum.
    * Move from one forum database/software to another UNLESS you are moving to OCF, by importing the old forum into OCF.

Those 2 me conflict with one another.

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Chris Graham said


The installer text was changed…

2.1.x said

Do you intend to have a network with multiple sites, or use separate application and database servers?

2.6.x said

Do you intend to join an existing network of multiple sites, and/or have separated forum and portal databases, and/or use separate application and database servers?

How ever the text where it says separated forum Sugests to me I could use ocPortal to link like say 2 or more IPB or ocf installs together as one.

My suggestion would be to say this.

Do you intend to run more then one install of ocPortal and have them share the same forum database and members?

BY the way I never used 2.1 and I mentioned the issue after 3 came out, so it has not been changed since my posting about it.  


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I do hope both are better and less confusing in 4.
Or even 3.0.16.

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