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I have the following dates in a calendar list:


The dates, as shown, are correct for me (both logged in and as a guest). However, I have a Guest visitor in Hawaii and the dates are incorrect for him (one day early - October 4 and October 20). Seems like this must be some kind of timezone issue or something.

Any idea on how to get this working properly?

Bob
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The calendar does get localised. Point '4' of 0000048: Time zone overhaul - ocPortal feature tracker is not implemented. In summary, ocPortal currently always localises calendar times, but this only makes sense for some kinds of events. For example, a webinar should be, but a historic reference probably should not be (although debatable). Really we should ideally have a per-event option to choose this, but we don't yet.
You can turn off guest timezone detection if you want.


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Chris-

Thanks for the tip - I've disabled timezone detection for guests.

I am surprised that this is not addressed yet as it seems to me that it is a bug. And certainly historical dates like birthdays are the same no matter where you live. If I moved from the US to Japan, I would still celebrate my birthday on the same date.

Bob
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Well yes and no Bob. Don't forget about the IDL (International Date Line) where you could be celebrating your day a day before/after when you would have before.

EDIT: Further Explanation…

Though you may celebrate your birthday on what on your calander would be the same day as always, to your family living still a day behind/ahead they would either have already celebrated it, or have yet the need to celebrate it.. all depending upon time zones and the lot. 

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I can't speak for others but even if I crossed the IDL, I would continue to celebrate my birthday on the same date.

Interesting question: I wonder if they would adjust a person's birthdate if they applied for a driver's license on the opposite side of the dateline.

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So then, if your birthday was March 20th, and by crossing the dateline you went ahead 1 day, would you celebrate it on the 19th (based on local calendars?)

Not that it really matters, as the body doesn't age based on our concept of time. But the earth does rotate around a sun, so some parts of the world would be a day ahead or behind (depending upon your perspective of where you are).

An example of this is seen all the time at a forum I frequent (forum for arch linux). They have a screenshot thread where they make a new thread for each month (monthly screenshots). Well when a new month comes along for someone, they will make a new monthly thread. Once that new thread is made, others can't post in the old thread. So they post in the new thread, often saying "Well it's still September here for me but oh well, here's my 'October' screenshot.

As far as the license thing goes, the people would put the birthday of what is on your legal birth certificate of when you were born (assuming they use a driver's licences, or some other form of id card that makes a note of date of birth). And it is very important to realize that when March 20th comes around, on local calendars, according to that license, you would be celebrating your birthday that day. If you decide to wait a day (or whatever) to meet the calendar from your birthplace, then you'd likely celebrate it on a day that is acutally not your birthday anymore.

Here's another example. Your birthday shows up on your site. Someone living on the other side of the IDL may post a day ahead celebrating your birthday, because for them it would be your birthday. March 20th for them would be your march 19th, sure… but for them it would really, and truly, be March 20th.

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In other words, we agree that you celebrate a non-time adjusted birthday based solely on your legal date of birth. Same for licenses and, well, pretty much everything.

An example of this is Apple's international roll-outs for an OS upgrade where New Zealand gets the new OS before the US does. I am sure there are many similar examples.

This is all pretty far afield from the initial issue which is a wrong date shown for someone in Hawaii - not across the IDL. This should not happen because we recognize the event on the day it happened whether is it is a birth, death or the New Years.

Bob
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FYI this is being implemented via feature sponsorship as part of a batch of calendar upgrades.


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Chris-

Thanks for letting us know. It's good to hear that you are getting paid work.

@Falko - Thanks for sponsoring the calendar changes

Bob


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Lots of stuff, I'll summarise for people not following the tracker:
  • "All day" events (for simplicity the new default is for events to be all day, without an end date set)
  • Associating event types with iCal or RSS or Atom feeds, for real-time automatic import (e.g. create a birthdays event type, and put the ocPortal birthdays RSS feed in for that)
  • Event type permissions, so you can control who can view what event types and who can submit to them
  • Timezone-awareness. Each event is input with an explicit timezone, and you can choose whether the time is converted for the viewer, or left alone with an explicit reference to the timezone it is in.
  • Better display of events that span the time window you're looking at, and various other complex corner cases.
  • Performance improvement.


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Chris-

Those are some very nice improvements in the calendar, several of which will benefit me. V7.2 is going to be a very nice upgrade.

Falko must be doing some interesting stuff with his site to have you implement all these calendar changes.

Bob
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I threw some of it in. It's much more efficient to do a lot of similar tasks in one batch for a number of reasons, and I like to over-deliver when someone is generous enough to sponsor a development :).


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Well, I can't speak for Hitch but I thought you definitely provided what I paid for and then some on the catalog changes.

It just makes me want to sponsor more changes. I'm out till the new year but then I plan on buying support credits each quarter and then determining how to best put them to use.

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BobS said

… but then I plan on buying support credits each quarter and then determining how to best put them to use.
Thanks Bob. That is a good brilliant idea, put without any histrionics, that appeals to my simple mind.

I have no immediate 'wants', but it would be nice to have some credit when (not IF) the 'zebedee-moment' strikes!

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The way I see it, there is a good possibility that someone else will come up with an idea that I might want to support. That happened with the catalog stuff- I didn't really need the last change (at least, I had not identified this as a need) but I decided to wrap up the catalog items in the tracker.

Don't forget too that people can pool those credits  to help get something done that would otherwise be out of reach.

And some people won't be able t buy credits but will hopefully find another way to support ocPortal. I truly believe that it is clearly a case of enlightened self-interest: treat well that which treats you well.

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BobS said

Falko must be doing some interesting stuff with his site to have you implement all these calendar changes.
Yeah, our community is growing. And now we need a good calandar system to manage birthdays, meetings, astronomical events … I didn't really like the old calendar system, but the new one is brilliant, so far I could test it ;)

On this occasion: Thanks to BobS, Tisnart and Fletch for sending me some points. I didn't realized it immediately, because in our forum we are don't using points, so this was new for me :rolleyes:

Could somebody tell me, what are the new catalogue features? We want to use catalogues after the upgrade to 7.2 and so I will test the alpha version now to come to grips with it.

Good night
Falko

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Falko-

The catalog changes are documented in tracker items 269, 82, 134 and 137 and in this thread:
View topic: Tracker item #134 - ocPortal

We will have tremendous flexibility with these, for example, being able to impose structured data on the gallery. I have not had the time to play with things yet so I am just going from memory right now.

Bob
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Falko said

Thanks to BobS, Tisnart and Fletch for sending me some points.

I did?

I remember sending a few points for something else you shared, but can't see where I've shown my appreciation for sponsoring the Calendar tweaks. So I've chucked a few more in your direction.

Worth every point …!!

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Fletch-

He definitely deserves some points for hopefully making my calendar headaches go away. Unfortunately, I rarely ever have many points to give because I give them out whenever someone is kind enough to help me (which means I give them out a lot).

I need to plan a heist on the gift point bank.  lol

Bob

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HAH! Bob.

In the past I've always been a 'silent' admirer of the passion and the enthusiasm of the members of this forum - without actually contributing in the way of points. Never occurred to me!

Then one day I looked at my profile and found I'd amassed THOUSANDS of gift points. Bummer! Obviously I wasn't showing the right degree of 'open' appreciation. So now I contribute as-and-when.

In any event, I think a kind word of appreciation and encouragement is just as welcome, so not making with points-largesse is probably well understood by the seasoned members here.

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