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Chris has put together the nice new front-end to the tracker and one of the features is voting for items to help Chris know what items are most important to users. People should really take advantage of this opportunity. Obviously, things will still need to be paid for which ultimately sets the development agenda but voting is a simple means of helping Chris identify items of importance and we should let him know what we want - both by adding feature requests to the tracker and by voting for items that are important to us.

Just felt I needed to say that.

Bob
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Well, a few people have added their votes to some issues in the tracker, but there hasn't been much activity so I am going to appeal to people's baser instincts.

I am working out how much I will be able to spend this year on sponsoring features and which features I will sponsor. I have identified 5 that are important to me but with this caveat: my list is somewhat fluid. For instance, had I noticed that there was an item to allow putting entries in multiple categories already in the tracker from 2010, I probably would have sponsored that instead of some of the other things I chose. In other words, I am interested in your input before I make any final decisions on which items I will sponsor this year.

Voting is easy - the hardest part is reading through the list of items. Visit the tracker and cast your votes for a few items which you would like to see addressed in 2012. Or add your own feature request - it may be quite popular with the community.

Remember that you are doing Chris no favors by not stating your interest for improvements in ocPortal, In a sense, that would be saying that ocPortal is perfect and Chris might as well just move into maintenance mode and pursue more lucrative opportunities. I don't think any of us wants that - we like Chris too much to have him slip away that easily.  lol

The tracker front-end is at Feature development tracker - ocPortal

Or visit the full issue tracker at My View - ocPortal feature tracker where you can log in using your forum credentials and hit the "Monitor" button on any item which interests you (this is the equivalent of voting in the front-end).

Let's help Chris make ocPortal an even better product in 2012.

Bob
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Gonna add my vote to a few of them ;).


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Chris-

Great to see you add your votes. It lends a view from the developer's point of view as to which issues might make the most sense to tackle which, in turn, probably reflects time would optimize your time and efforts.

Bob
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Chris-

You weren't kidding about voting for some items!

I hope the things you voted for reflect desirable features or coding time optimizations from your perspective.

Hopefully others will chime in with their votes or new feature requests and I will be able to make some smart choices for sponsorship this year.

Bob
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Okay, people, get your votes in now.

I'm making my sponsorship plans in the next month and possibly looking to do this as a lump-sum so that I am less tempted to throw money in all year long (not certain about this yet).

Let me know what's important to you to see if it changes my priorities. Not to mention that voting is important (maybe vital) feedback for the developers and the community.

Bob
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Just took another look at the tracker - there are some great feature requests in there just waiting for people to vote for them. Voting will help Chris determine the best path forward based on user input and will result in a better and more capable ocPortal.

Voting doesn't obligate you to any sponsorship so there is no reason not to express your opinion of which feature requests are most important. If you can find none that you would like to see implemented (which would be pretty mind-boggling given the scope of what's there), you can always add your own feature requests for things that are important to you (don't forget to vote for them after adding them to the tracker).

And please consider sponsoring a feature request - even if only partially. I think the following two feature requests are especially important and have pledged to support half the cost of each:

0000309: Allow dynamic user filtering of catalog and gallery display - ocPortal feature tracker

0000063: Multi-categorisation - ocPortal feature tracker


Working together , small sponsorship amounts added to these will add up and we can get these features implemented.

And don't forget to vote for the features you'd like to see implemented even if you are not sponsoring.

Bob



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BobS said

I think the following two feature requests are especially important and have pledged to support half the cost of each:

0000309: Allow dynamic user filtering of catalog and gallery display - ocPortal feature tracker

0000301: Provide a grid layout option for main_cc_embed - ocPortal feature tracker
The second one (301) is now fully sponsored and Chris has responded with his note 304.

I guess you'll have to start looking for another one, and try and goad the community into getting aboard a 'SPONSORFEST'!

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Take my advice. I'm not using it!

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Thanks for catching that, Fletch. I've changed the post to reflect the proper feature.

Bob
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Fletch said

I guess you'll have to start looking for another one, and try and goad the community into getting aboard a 'SPONSORFEST'!
As far as the 'SPONSORFEST' goes, that would of course make me very happy. But, to be honest, I'd be pretty darn happy if people just took the time to vote for the projects that they feel are important. I think this is important information for Chris as he plots the future of ocPortal. Mind you, I'm not suggesting Chris is just going to work on something because it has a lot of votes, but it does help him know what the hot-button issues are for improvement.

Bob
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Way to go, Fletch

Now we have an idea of some of the things that are important to you and Chris has a bit more info which might possibly affect his priorities.

Bob
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I was slightly taken aback at the number of core features that have been slated for change or 'improvement'.

Natural evolution, I guess, but it sheds light on what a mammoth task it must be to develop a software engine from scratch.

Message for the drive-by doubters:
This software hasn't stagnated, and it is certainly NOT marking time. When you've had your fill of the lightweight stuff, or when the other 'biggies' conspire to confuse you unnecessarily, take this baby for a spin.

You won't be disappointed!

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Take my advice. I'm not using it!

View my working ocPortal site (version 9.x.x) at Anglo-Indian Portal
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It is quite enlightening to go through the tracker. Some of the issues may seem quite mundane or do not apply because we already have our site set up. But these features have the potential to draw new members to the community which is vitally important for any open-source project. This is the reason I encourage people to review the items in the feature tracker and vote for a half-dozen or so that you think will make a difference to ocPortal and its community (which is equally important).

Chris has not provided a roadmap in the feature tracker but he has identified key "components" that he feels will benefit from improvement.

I am not sure how anyone can think ocPortal has stagnated. I've been here less than a year and been through one major rev with another on the horizon.

Bob


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BobS said

I am not sure how anyone can think ocPortal has stagnated. I've been here less than a year and been through one major rev with another on the horizon.
There have been a couple of negative comments along those lines in these forums (worse, elsewhere) over the past few months.

Unfortunately, it takes only one negative comment from just one ignorant (lack of knowledge) or stupid (lack of ability) user to undo all the good vibes about a magnificent CMS.

 :o

Take my advice. I'm not using it!

View my working ocPortal site (version 9.x.x) at Anglo-Indian Portal
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Mostly are that people who think I want to setup an site, and have nu clue how to do it!! :)


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Fletch said

BobS said

I am not sure how anyone can think ocPortal has stagnated. I've been here less than a year and been through one major rev with another on the horizon.
There have been a couple of negative comments along those lines in these forums (worse, elsewhere) over the past few months.

Unfortunately, it takes only one negative comment from just one ignorant (lack of knowledge) or stupid (lack of ability) user to undo all the good vibes about a magnificent CMS.

Fletch-

You are right that we need to respond to these naysayers so that people who stumble upon these topics in the future at least have the rebuttal at hand. But to be honest, I characterize the naysayers into two slightly different categories: the misinformed (your ignorant) and the miscreants, whose sole purpose is to come here to bad-mouth a product that competes with (and probably outperforms) their favored CMS package.

Steering this back onto the topic (you did mention my "single-minded persistence"), I think this is one more reason for people to become familiar with the tracker. ocPortal is a great product but certainly is not perfect. This is reflected by the fact that Chris Graham is the number one contributor to the tracker because he sees areas he would like to improve. Along with his contributions are the suggestions of other members of the community and Chris, through his custom front-end to the feature tracker, has given us a simple way to suggest which of those features is most important to us. In many ways, our best response to the naysayers is to proactively help Chris build a better product by voting for those features we find important.

This is, to me, truly a case of action speaking louder than words. Taking a bit of time to vote for three to eight of your top feature requests is an action that helps to make ocPortal better. While there is no doubt in my mind that Chris gets plenty of input from agency clients, I think those that use ocPortal as a free product feel they have no right to ask for more. This is wrong-headed: they have no right to demand more but Chris has, in fact, asked that they provide this valuable feedback, so I feel it is the duty of those who use the platform freely to at least provide this feedback by voting for and commenting on tracker items. If a member finds it possible to contribute to sponsorship of a tracker item, they can help to turn a "feature request" into a "feature included" and that, to me, is the best response of all to these often drive-by mischief-makers.

And, to top it off, it is a huge plus to the community to have engaged, participative members.

Bob
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Agree completely. Only one observation:
… I think those that use ocPortal as a free product feel they have no right to ask for more This is wrong-headed:
I adopted ocPortal as a paying customer (back in the day), but I've never really regretted the decision although my early ineptitude (hell, I am still pretty inept) caused me to wander off for about 6 months to find something less demanding.

This was about the time one of our most active and outspoken forum members kept asking for features because, "X or Y or Z has it". Indeed, some of the 'requests' began to sound like 'demands', and I remember at the time I responded with the advice that if she wasn't satisfied with the totality (or lack) of features that ocPortal brought with it, then it was probably time to go look somewhere else rather than demand 'missing' features be incorporated into an already feature-rich CMS.

That didn't go down too well, as you can imagine, and I've subsequently learnt to be a bit more diplomatic with my advice - or not offer any at all.

But I decided to take my own advice and wandered off to dabble with WordPress. I am fond of that product for the one-click ease with which much is accomplished, but it became apparent very soon that it didn't offer the features that I had become used to in ocPortal, and I wandered back. I wouldn't consider 'defecting' ever again.

So, to respond to your 'wrong-headed' observation, I don't ask for 'additional' features because I am fully aware of what the product offers out of the box. If it doesn't offer something, and as a user I feel it is essential that I have it, then the obvious task of looking for another CMS (or building my own module, which I am totally incapable of doing) is the necessary line to take. However, asking for current features to behave in a different manner is something I don't have a hang-up with nor, I suspect, do the developers. But the final call is theirs because only they know how a change would impact on other areas.

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Take my advice. I'm not using it!

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I have a slightly different approach.

I don't ask for features because other software has them but because I believe they will improve the product. That is why I have noted in other posts that some features I like are common in e-commerce software (I have not even checked against other CMSes). Chris is a good editor in terms of deciding what should and should not be included in ocPortal but having input from people with a perspective different to the developer is important. I say make the suggestion and see where it leads.

Bob
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Just wanted to bump this thread.

I am once again reviewing what feature tracker items I will sponsor through the balance of the year, as well as considering alternate plans to my current sponsorships. I'd really like to know which items are important to the community because I like to sponsor items that have high demand. Of course, there are other factors that go into making my choices but I do place a very high value on community input.

Please take a little time to review the list in the tracker (Feature development tracker - ocPortal) and vote for the items that are important to you by clicking on the 'Vote' option in the box to the left of each item description. If you prefer reviewing things in Mantis, you can hit the 'Monitor' button which is the same as voting for an item.

Bob
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