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"ocProducts maintains full documentation for all procedures and tools. These may be found on the ocPortal website. If you are unable to easily solve this problem, we may be contacted from our website and can help resolve it for you."

Another example of the end user, my visitors, being informed of the brand name of the product used on what is or should be to them, the back end of the site.

While fixing this, consider removing your branding.


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You can copy the sources/critical_errors.php to sources_custom/critical_errors.php and make any changes you like.
Version 4 will have a 'super debranding' addon that allows all this stuff to be automatically changed by filling in a form.


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Take my advice. I'm not using it!

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Ya I leave it on there too. I paid for it and still leave the logo on.
Heck every site I go to I look what software they are running before I look at the contect of the site, Specially if I like the look of it.
I do not care if my members see what I am using and start using it, most of my members have sites of thier own any way.
Infact some have more then one so getting them to use ocPortal would be great.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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Ami and Fletch, a few questions.

How much money do you earn from your website activities?

how many of your household bills, house payments and other such stuff does this allow you to pay? How many mouths do you have to feed? how many get fed from your website?

What are your future plans regarding investing in your site and what kind of return on investment are you hoping for?

The answer to these questions may inform you why it is that a regular potential purchaser of this script will have wildy different needs to someone who has a site dedicated to the script itself etc.

Vbulletin is famous for being THE script that has it's name on it - most commerical scripts either don't come with branding or it can be removed for a small fee.

One of the reasons open source (the free stuff) is actually getting less popular, not more, is because there are so many hacks and exploits available, forcing webmasters to spend extraordinary amounts of time simply maintaining and patching their software. I, and most such people, just don't have time to hang around on the script forums. I'm doing it now during set-up but once set up I just want updates once in awhile.

Most serious sites, even if using OS stuff, take pains to remove at least the version number of the software to help reduce their target profile. Having "OC Portal Version 3.0" on my site is like waving a flag and saying "target my site, please!"

It's a sad fact of life that there are thousands of moronic idiots out there that find pleasure in defacing and damaging other people's sites. I'm guessing this has never happened to you, and that you were not relying on the site's income. I've had it happen to me twice, and problems with the B2evoltion blog software, again, is the reason I'm in the market to change my community software.

I want NO traceable indications of what the software is to every extent possible without going over-board or re-writing the thing.

Another sad fact of life is that most internet business start-ups, just like in the rest of life, fail. That doesn't stop people trying though, and membership sites are notorious for unhappy members deciding to create their own version where they can be little Hitlers for a day. In doing so they dilute and even destroy your site before they fade away.

Like I say, I've been debating online for over 10 years and have seen many such sites come and go, for exactly those reasons.

Further, there is simply the credibility aspect. Ironically Vbulletin actually adds a touch of credibility to your site because so many people know it is a paid script, as opposed to phpBB, SMF etc. Likewise many people know that open source stuff has to have the name on the site, so simply seeing a name, ANY name, convinces many visitors that you're using free software.

Some thoughts pop into the mind of your visitor:

1. Cheapskate
2. Any idoot could do this
3. I could do this!
4. I could do it MY way!
5. I could charge people loads of money and be rich!

5 is usually incorrect but it doesn't stop em trying.

All  the above, along with pagerank from the links, are reasons why script-writers love to have their name and links all over your site.

They are also the exact same reason why serious and professional webmasters demand a non-branded script.

There are 2 choices with scripts - the glory or the money. There is no such thing as a commercial product with your glory all over it - Vbulletin excepted because it's an old script with superb support and solid security, ie "history".

Even Wordpress, the free blogging script, went commercial due to the heavy demand for blogs without "Wordpress" written all over them.

It is simply not possible to give everyone in the world their own community site - at least not if you don't want us all sitting around wondering why no-one is joining.

If you truly want to empower people give them a damn good site, invest heavily with your time and money, make it the best site of it's type you can. And if doing that it is common sense to avoid a "Me too!" branded script.

Give to your visitors and members - not your competitors and the wannabe muppets that'll drag you down.

Regarding the super debranding, excellent decision! Glad you're listening to feedback. :)


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dateofbirth said

Ami and Fletch, a few questions.

How much money do you earn from your website activities?

how many of your household bills, house payments and other such stuff does this allow you to pay? How many mouths do you have to feed? how many get fed from your website?

What are your future plans regarding investing in your site and what kind of return on investment are you hoping for?

The answer to these questions may inform you why it is that a regular potential purchaser of this script will have wildy different needs to someone who has a site dedicated to the script itself etc.

Vbulletin is famous for being THE script that has it's name on it - most commerical scripts either don't come with branding or it can be removed for a small fee.

One of the reasons open source (the free stuff) is actually getting less popular, not more, is because there are so many hacks and exploits available, forcing webmasters to spend extraordinary amounts of time simply maintaining and patching their software. I, and most such people, just don't have time to hang around on the script forums. I'm doing it now during set-up but once set up I just want updates once in awhile.

Most serious sites, even if using OS stuff, take pains to remove at least the version number of the software to help reduce their target profile. Having "OC Portal Version 3.0" on my site is like waving a flag and saying "target my site, please!"

It's a sad fact of life that there are thousands of moronic idiots out there that find pleasure in defacing and damaging other people's sites. I'm guessing this has never happened to you, and that you were not relying on the site's income. I've had it happen to me twice, and problems with the B2evoltion blog software, again, is the reason I'm in the market to change my community software.

I want NO traceable indications of what the software is to every extent possible without going over-board or re-writing the thing.

Another sad fact of life is that most internet business start-ups, just like in the rest of life, fail. That doesn't stop people trying though, and membership sites are notorious for unhappy members deciding to create their own version where they can be little Hitlers for a day. In doing so they dilute and even destroy your site before they fade away.

Like I say, I've been debating online for over 10 years and have seen many such sites come and go, for exactly those reasons.

Further, there is simply the credibility aspect. Ironically Vbulletin actually adds a touch of credibility to your site because so many people know it is a paid script, as opposed to phpBB, SMF etc. Likewise many people know that open source stuff has to have the name on the site, so simply seeing a name, ANY name, convinces many visitors that you're using free software.

Some thoughts pop into the mind of your visitor:

1. Cheapskate
2. Any idoot could do this
3. I could do this!
4. I could do it MY way!
5. I could charge people loads of money and be rich!

5 is usually incorrect but it doesn't stop em trying.

All  the above, along with pagerank from the links, are reasons why script-writers love to have their name and links all over your site.

They are also the exact same reason why serious and professional webmasters demand a non-branded script.

There are 2 choices with scripts - the glory or the money. There is no such thing as a commercial product with your glory all over it - Vbulletin excepted because it's an old script with superb support and solid security, ie "history".

Even Wordpress, the free blogging script, went commercial due to the heavy demand for blogs without "Wordpress" written all over them.

It is simply not possible to give everyone in the world their own community site - at least not if you don't want us all sitting around wondering why no-one is joining.

If you truly want to empower people give them a damn good site, invest heavily with your time and money, make it the best site of it's type you can. And if doing that it is common sense to avoid a "Me too!" branded script.

Give to your visitors and members - not your competitors and the wannabe muppets that'll drag you down.

Regarding the super debranding, excellent decision! Glad you're listening to feedback. :)


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I do not earn any money, I pay money to run my site.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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I guessed that and it was my point.

For you it is a labor of love and your only reward is helping people. That's great and best of luck with it; you've already helped me with one particular issue and there's nothing wrong with running a website like that.

The majority of those who would pay for the script however are those who would have a reason for paying for it - see my previous post.

Even though you make no money, here's a question. How would you feel if I thought "Hey, great idea! This script could be really popular with some tweaking, I'll start up a support and customisation site dedicated to ocportal!"

Now you love this script, you might even be happy at the thought of a 2nd site doing what you're doing - but from a business point of view it's a pain in the neck.

Research shows that most people visit at most around 15 websites on a regular basis, only about 7 sites very regularly. Few are likely to join both your site and mine - and even if they did, they would only visit one of them.

How much time and energy would you put into a site that gets almost nothing but occasional search engine traffic and 'drive by' visitors, who stick around just long enough to complain you should hire more full time staff?

Your site is somewhat unique, and for your own sake I hope it stays that way. However you cannot really compare your own way of working to where the bulk of any income for this script is going to come from. There's only one Ami - but there are many thousands of webmasters looking to make their professional site a little special.

Those people do not want branding on their site any more than I do.


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dateofbirth said


Even though you make no money, here's a question. How would you feel if I thought "Hey, great idea! This script could be really popular with some tweaking, I'll start up a support and customisation site dedicated to ocportal!"

Now you love this script, you might even be happy at the thought of a 2nd site doing what you're doing - but from a business point of view it's a pain in the neck.



That reminds me of how many sites there are for IPB and php nuke.
There are so many for both I am a member of 15 of them, might be more.
The ones for invision that I know of the top of my head ate invisionmodding, easyipb, invisionize, ipbarcade, and more.
Those are the ones I remember off the top of my head. Invisiontweak closed down and was also one and one I worked for.

I am just wondering would you pay the 300 dollors to debrand IPB?

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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Possibly, but only if I found a suitably unusual yet suitable skin and if I were modding it a little. Generally it's too recognisable to be worth trying to make it special.

Note my primary aim is to provide my members with a good forum, their own photo gallery and their own blog, with a points system. Invision does all out of the box and would make my life a lot easier (it's still a possible option if I cannot get OC how I want it). As such I found OC while specifically looking for something a little less "this is an upgraded forum script" like.

My concern with this is that the interface is a bit tricky - I want my members enjoying the site, not trying to figure it out and thinking about the software.

The actual software running the site should never cross their minds. It should be a non-issue.


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Well for me every site I go to I look at what software they are using and always think about it.
Specially if it looks good and is fast.
I have seen so many scripts I can tell a lot of times what people are using even if they take the branding off.
One site I go to tried to change the IPB version they are using by having it show 1.3.1 but I can tell by the skin and some of the features that it has to be 2.1.
This might be strange but there are times when I see a nice site and get frustreated cuz I can not tell what they are using and then even though it is nice I will leave. If they had content I wanted I might stay. I will stay on sites that have content and I can tell they wrote it them selves.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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That they deliberately put a false version number backs up my point - because they know bots will be sniffing around for specific scripts and versions to exploit.

Ami, you are not a casual site visitor, you're someone who's into site scripts, to such an extent you have a website dedicated to one.

I used to be heavily into motorcycles and in my youth could tell, just from the sound, the make and cc of pretty much any machine you'd encounter in the UK. If I ordered a pizza I could tell you, without looking out the window, what moped the guy or gal turned up on.

Most people just want a hot tasty pizza, not a pizza delivered on a Yamaha FS1E with an expansion pipe and the Pelini power kit and perhaps a K&N filter, running a bit rich cos they didn't change the jet to match that filter.

Hot steaming and tasty.

Selling is about the sizzle, not the sausage.

You're more than welcome to your own views but they don't play a part in my own or any conventional business plan. You say in your own sig line you're unusual, YOU pay for software, leave the logo and links on it and use the software to create a website about that software.

That is not conventional behavior for 99% of the people who would pay for this script - and people paying for it will do a lot more for the script and people behind it than anything else will.

"You're a great programmer and I love your script!" doesn't pay the bills for Phil or anyone.


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On my IPB site I put 2.8 Just to be funny. Its some thing they allow you to change and show you how to I changed it to 2.8.

I do have a few other sites, one is for anime and thier are hundreds of any sites.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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