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Right now, my current webhost is on my top-ten list of archenemies. Two of my sites have been down for over 32 hours (as of this posting) with a 503 Service Temporarily Unavailable error. While I was already planning to move my OcPortal site to another host, I had originally planned on waiting until the site was live and receiving a certain amount of traffic.

The fact that nothing has been fixed in the 30+ hours since I reported this is a clear sign that now is the time to pick-up shop and move. My question to you is this: should I continue looking to host this site on a shared server or am I better off looking for a VPS from the get-go? What are your recommendations for specific hosts? Why?
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If you want some control on what is happen to your websites, the best choice is VPS I think.  If you want to make more sites, then I would go for a dedicated server.

A good hosting you ask…
The best thing I can say about this is, use google search, and read all the comments on forums to. Contact hosters you like, and ask them if they have all you need and price.

I wish you success.


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  • P.S. I think Harry offers hosting.
  • P.P.S. Brian Hay also offers hosting.
  • P.P.P.S. ocPortal recommend elief

Suggest you talk to all of them.

Good luck.

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khalleka-

I moved to eLief a couple of months back and have been very satisfied. We had a fe issues when the site transferred but things have been rock-solid since then. I am currently on a shared plan that is a bit more expensive than some other hosts but you receive a good amount of resources for the money (honest resources that are actually available rather than some number you might happen to get at the right time of day on the right day of the week and when the wind is blowing from a certain direction). YI've used VPSes and dedicated servers in the past and I would say this is about as close to a VPS as any shared hosting program comes to. ou should definitely at least talk to them.

They also offer VPS solutions and if I were planning on hosting several sites, they would be at the top of my list to talk to for a VPS plan.

But definitely shop around and let us know about any solutions you find. It's always good to have a backup list of services.

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Thanks Bob and others. I've been taking a good look at elief, among others. Reviews seem to be fairly consistent in that while asking them to transfer your site takes a good deal of patience, once that is done with, people seem to be pretty happy with the service.

As for VPS, Hostgator is topping my list for the moment.
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my 2.5 cents.

First Hostgator should move down your list. They are a terrible hosting service as far as I am concerned.

But more importantly to answer your VPS question.

I think No to start. Simply because shared hosting is much cheaper in respects and unless you have a fairly certain need for the extended features of a VPS it would likely be overkill starting up. I would give your site time to grow and stabilize before committing to a Dedicated or VPS setup. But again this is opinion has a frugality frame of mind.
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my 2.5 cents.

First Hostgator should move down your list. They are a terrible hosting service as far as I am concerned.
That hasn't been my experience, Duck, but I suspect we all have horror stories about hosts we've used before where, when we didn't get our own way, we have thrown ourselves to the floor and kicked our heels in the air in an extended hissy-fit.

Not that I am suggesting you behave in that fashion - not for a moment!

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Actually I haven't had particularly bad experience myself with them for personal sites I am basing my experience with them off others and my knowledge of comparison factors..
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Duck said

  • First Hostgator should move down your list. They are a terrible hosting service as far as I am concerned.

  • Actually I haven't had particularly bad experience myself with them for personal sites I am basing my experience with them off others …
Ah, FUD!

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I had used Hostgator for a number of years for smaller sites (not for my two previous e-commerce sites) and they were actually pretty good. But I moved to eLief solely because i felt I was not getting good explanations when problems arose. I anticipate having problems with any host - it's part of the vagaries of the internet - but I dislike a lack of clear answers to problems. Just own up and say "we goofed" when appropriate. So that is my bias against Hostgator.

I don't know anyone who has used their VPS hosting so can't say much about that. What I will say though is that eLief actually provides the stated resources for their shared accounts often eliminating the need for a VPS. However, when I build my next site, I am likely to move up to a VPS just for the extra control and separation it provides between accounts.

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Duck said

my 2.5 cents.

I think No to start. Simply because shared hosting is much cheaper in respects and unless you have a fairly certain need for the extended features of a VPS it would likely be overkill starting up. I would give your site time to grow and stabilize before committing to a Dedicated or VPS setup. But again this is opinion has a frugality frame of mind.

My reason for considering a VPS is that I expect a fair amount of "concurrent connections" of the databases, for which I am told that for shared servers, can be quite a problem. Their trick in offering generous databases is by limiting this and the catalogues will hold the"meat and potatoes" of the site. I expect around 300-500 unique visitors per day within 6 months of officially launching.
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BobS said


I don't know anyone who has used their VPS hosting so can't say much about that. What I will say though is that eLief actually provides the stated resources for their shared accounts often eliminating the need for a VPS. However, when I build my next site, I am likely to move up to a VPS just for the extra control and separation it provides between accounts.

Bob

Yup, there will always be people who are dissatisfied with their service…which is why I'm taking the time to hunt around for a host that meets my own needs.

I am interested in elief, should I decide to remain on a shared server for the time being.. I'm still looking into weather it will properly meet my database needs first, though.

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Khaleeka said

I am interested in elief, should I decide to remain on a shared server for the time being.. I'm still looking into weather it will properly meet my database needs first, though.
I know I asked Richard to identify all limitations on the shared accounts. I don't remember him saying anything about concurrent database connections but I do know that they limit the number of databases based on your package (it's 10 on the Advanced plan and 15 on the Business plan). I suspect that the limits on the number of databases is one way of dealing with demands on the DB server per hosting account but just ask Richard and I  am sure he will tell what limitations they put on concurrent connections.

They are not super cheap but they have been pretty rock-solid and patient in working through issues which most often turned out to be software bugs.

Bob
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I guess I should offer further explanations for my reasoning to help you better understand my advice however do realize that this just bumped it from 2.5 cents to 4.75 cents so you got a couple more pennies to dish my way! lol

First regarding my comment on Hostgator as a bad choice:

My reason for claiming this is based on SEVERAL complaints about them from SEVERAL different people to me for SEVERAL different reasons.

See I am part of a community much like ocPortal but at one time much more active so I meet alot of people and learn a lot about their hosting environments and host gator has to be on the top of the list (at least of the larger paid hosting services, free services are always worst) of providers with a myriad of constant issues.

You are correct in assuming that you can't make everyone happy all the time no matter the host but I have seen or heard my share of HG issues including basic domain theft concerns. Now that allegation I am sure has a hostgator side of the story but from the side I heard a decent reputable company should have/ could have made a better effort to help rectify the issue I think. But then again as I say in that incident I was not privy to all the details but that one alone certainly perks my ears up when I hear other complaints too.

Now for the VPS reasoning you mention unique daily connections but not returning visitors stats. What type of retention statistics do you expect because a decent shared hosting should handle those stats so far. Peak periods may have some issues but that could be said for VPS too.  While you may have a little more control over VPS and a little more resources to work with my thoughts are how positive or guaranteed that you'll be at those numbers in 6 months and more importantly for that level how stressful will be your queries?

My thought is in 6 months the likelihood of the data size of your DB wouldn't be that large yet so the tax on the system is not likely that great. You'll need time before you've built up large DB before queries start becoming slow and taxed.

Lets just assume you're bang on and need to switch to VPS in 6 months instead of maybe a more economically pattern of a year from beginning setup to stressed out time. Even in that time frame assuming you're using a fairly low priced VPS of $50 per month and that your shared host would have been a higher priced 50% of that that is still a savings of $150. Not a fortune but still a penny pinched is earned right?

But more importantly it gives you that extra time to evaluate growth patterns and other potential areas of concern to make you effectively choose the right final path with the least initial investment. It may be that the $50 VPS is not enough for you either and would be outgrown quickly if you analyze you growth pattern but it is also possible to realize you're paying for overkill at that level too?

I tend to like starting smaller and growing things bigger as they need too instead of planning bigger first "Just in Case" as in regular business this is how you typically do things so why should the web differ? I mean if you can start your import business fine with a 4000 square foot rented warehouse you're not going to go out and build a 20 000 square foot one instead just in case you might need extra space?

But again it is just a guess on my part as I do not know the full details of your site and its intentions or its business model but I am assuming if it is going to be running ocPortal it is not the next Facebook or Craigslist cause then the CMS and VPS would both be inadequate! ;-)


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I have used a number of shared hosting companies (currently using three) as well as some dedicated servers. The one that I would recommend is Site5. They tend to be responsive and will quickly move your problem up the knowledge ladder if the first guys don't understand. This has not been my experience with others.

I could probably dig up some special ID and make some money recommending them but I feel that distorts the information. They are not perfect (I would much prefer a Debian-based server rather than a Red Hat-based one, for example, but they have been good. I have used them for probably six years. They also have recently added sites in a lot of non-US locations which I see as a plus.
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felipe said

The one that I would recommend is Site5 …
Thanks. Took a trip to their site, and liked what I read.

Will save the info for the future!

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When you said 4.75 cents, you weren't kidding!

duck said

You are correct in assuming that you can't make everyone happy all the time no matter the host but I have seen or heard my share of HG issues including basic domain theft concerns. Now that allegation I am sure has a hostgator side of the story but from the side I heard a decent reputable company should have/ could have made a better effort to help rectify the issue I think. But then again as I say in that incident I was not privy to all the details but that one alone certainly perks my ears up when I hear other complaints too.

I forgot about the domain theft issue. I've heard my fair share of those, I'm guessing that they've been better at it lately since it hasn't popped up in any of the more recent reviews. I believe that this is why I had overlooked them a few years ago.

Now for the VPS reasoning you mention unique daily connections but not returning visitors stats.

I didn't mention it because I don't have enough experience to estimate it yet. My previous projects have always revolved around blogs and my success in driving traffic to similarly-themed blogs is a good indicator of how it will initially received. Return visitors were something I simply never paid attention to, though I probably should have.

This is also going to be a (mostly) free membership site with an active email outreach, so I'm hoping for some decent repeat business…it's just a matter of putting my online ducks in a row, I guess.

My advantage is in what I'm providing: free resources. To get even close to the resources that will be made available on this site, people would normally have to pay for it–either through membership fees, books or curriculums. It's a website for educational and homeschooling resources that are available for free so that almost anyone can pursue an entire education for a minimum investment (paper & toner to print when necessary, Internet connection, etc).

It's far from ready for launching, but I've unlocked it to do some testing for the next day or so: http://www.thehomeschoolclub.net
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First… Nice fresh colorscheme!
maby you need the background image make bigger to 1600 or 1900 pixels width. You could also set te background to fixed, so that only the site self is scrolling.


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Nice site, Khaleeka.

As Harry mentioned, the background image needs to be bigger but other than that I'd say you are off to a good start with this site.

Bob
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