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Well guys and gals it has been a blast checking out this impresive peice of software. It has everything I would want bundled into one package.
Unfortunately I find it is not "user" freindly for those not into messing with code. Particularly I find blocks easy to setup but a pain to modify its parameters or features.
Main page is a head banger for me too as it is not intuative.
For some reason unknown to me, my host or you guys here, there is an exceptionally long unacceptable page load. I found it annoying as did the limited users I had trying it out.
Anyway, Thanks for the experience.
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Sorry to hear that your experience didn't quite go as you'd hoped. Maybe we'll see ya back someday?

Best wishes and take care!

Be well,
SD

"no violence, no hate, no pain, no enemies
just peace, unity, tolerance and love" - The Beloved

OCP V7 | Advocating monetary reform - FreeOurMoney

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As I mentioned I'd have been happy to investigate the page load time, but we'd need to have had FTP (or similar) access to the site to debug through the problem.

Regarding usability, v7 is out very soon with many improvements.


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Thanks Chris, I look forward to seeing what V7 has to offer.
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Lobo, I am fairly new to ocPortal. I've been using it for less than a month. So I will give you honest feedback with my experience so far with ocPortal. And I don't want to scare you away with this lengthy post, so I will try and keep it short if I can.

First off, I was intimidated, and it took me a week to even bother learning ocPortal. I installed it on my server and before I just began setting up things, I already felt very overwhelmed. But no one was forcing me to use this system. And right on the ocPortal site - it says, "this CMS is not for everyone." Already, they aren't trying to become some kind of huge overused CMS that gets popular simply because the Press or Media is using it. I can't tell you how many errors I experienced installing WordPress, Drupal, and Joomla – and I hadn't even gotten any mods installed yet.

I'm a very learn-as-you-go person - which is far better in this line of business rather than reading an entire book and having to go back to it because you forgot everything. That's just a waste of time. I'd rather jump in, make mistakes, and learn - and perhaps look at references in the book if I need to do that. And even doing that, I was overwhelmed with ocPortal. So I figured I'd read the tutorial that ocPortal book provides thinking that would help – didn't do anything for me.

The problem was: I wanted to establish a theme first. I started watching the video and already began to feel slightly overwhelmed. What do you learn first? The code or how to theme? And how can you build a theme without knowing the code? But how could I really know ocPortal if it's not going to look like what I want? Already a struggle. Yet it contained all the features I needed. A website is an extension of your personality. It shouldn't be someone else's personality or you're just not going to be interested in maintaining it. So.. I began just reading some of the tutorials on the site, reading a few articles a day, and kind of just getting it. When I began to feel overwhelmed, I walked away.

I came across Jean's tutorial: The start of everything. Designing a theme. To be honest, it was probably the fact that this was a new system, and I didn't know what any of these files did. I think it was Jean's tutorial that cleared up and showed me – at least where the header file was and how to edit it to put my own image on there. From there, I became more experimenting. ocPortal also has a great option that saves about the last 5 or so saves – so you can return to them if you screw up.

ocPortal will scare you away at first if you aren't patient with it. That is why these forums are here too. I was becoming very critical of it in the beginning too. I had to install ocPortal at least 3 or 4 times - a mess up pretty much on my part - and the mySQL server kept "going away" for some reason every time I did something. It still goes away sometimes. But the minor annoyances is dealt with, with a few refreshes or just not putting too much demand on the SQL server.

There are certain features I can't use, like the backup feature, but I use that on the CPanel anyway. I should've been scared away and I was getting there, but I was also looking at my other options.. and there are literally hundreds of CMS's to go through and check out.

I had to keep getting Chris involved and he seemed to find issues that weren't even on my end. Where was this promise of working right out of the box? Well, the majority of it worked right out of the box. This is not to say that ocPortal is a bad system, but it may have been setup incorrectly on my part or ocPortal itself detected some things that weren't supposed to be. But Chris has been very helpful and will see to it that problems you are having are taken care of. That is amazing support.

And I still keep posting with things I keep running across - some hard, some very simple – that after I receive the answer, I'm like, "Oh yes! I knew that!", and after I post, a lot of the time I solve the problem too. But it doesn't seem anyone seems to mind all the questions.. and I'm finding myself also scanning the forums and looking at some of the other problems people are going through and seeing if I might run into those as well.

I also just felt the gallery of ocPortal was too bulky for what I wanted to use it for.. (I'm sure this can even be customized to remove the tables and other things - if I had more patience, hehe) and even posting that, no one seemed to take offense. I have things I love about ocPortal and things that just don't work for me. And I'm very happy that the staff understands that. So I'm using ocPortal as my blogger/community section and a Video CMS for my site right now and it's working great, it looks great. In fact, I customized both areas to look almost like each other. The only problem that I've probably had to accept was the fact that my visitors need to register twice - to post a blog, and to submit videos. And I can deal with that. It's certainly not the end of the world. In a way, I like it, as I can easily just make either section my primary area.

I have only used a few of the major CMS but have only come across too many problems and had to reinstall too many times in hopes that it "would work this time". I'm still looking into other systems, just trying others to find only the best. And ocPortal ranks in my top 10, #1 so far, actually.

Another thing that I absolutely love about ocPortal is that it does it's best to keep its errors to itself. There is nothing more embarrassing than having your visitors see errors on your page. Credibility for them even being on your site is lost. When I was using PHP Fusion, it had no problem displaying every single error to my visitors, and fail to load any kind of page, sometimes displaying a white or black screen without explanation. At least with ocPortal, it still does its best to get around the error and show the visitor what they were probably trying to see.

I chose ocPortal for a reason. And at first, I thought it was almost too good to be true – and certainly, in life, if it's too good to be true, it probably isn't true at all. I thought I had died and found a really good CMS that I couldn't use anymore, because I was now in heaven. Its features were extremely appealing. And everything it said it had - it has! And everything it says it can do - it can do! There's no telling me it has this and then leading me to a website where you pay $70 for the addon. I've also seen open source advertised, only to go to the download page, and you can download the "cheap free open source version" or you can buy the "open source better upgrade version" for $299 which will give you a "license" of "free upgrades and support" for 1 year.

Just about every CMS has its own community, its own developers, programmers, and supporters. And while I don't want to say ocPortal is the best thing out there, it is certainly the best CMS I've used with full support and a caring staff who gives you individual attention and who almost seems to be there 24/7, and you usually get a reply within a few hours. So because ocPortal has delivered on all its promises, I'm giving it the chance it deserves.

A word of advice: The things that make you struggle a bit are the things you come to appreciate the most.

Just my 3c, Lobo.
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Well said Xarex and looking forward to 7 Chris!

Hope you'll hang in there Lobo!

"no violence, no hate, no pain, no enemies
just peace, unity, tolerance and love" - The Beloved

OCP V7 | Advocating monetary reform - FreeOurMoney

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@Xarex: Don't forget to add your site(s) here!

@Lobo: Best of luck with your site whatever CMS you choose… hopefully you'll come back to ocPortal with Xarex's comment. (Well said in that, Xarex!)

@Chris: Such a tease! :lol:

Eric DeMars . com
My electronic portfolio and personal site. Uses ocPortal!
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Lobo said

…..For some reason unknown to me, my host or you guys here, there is an exceptionally long unacceptable page load. I found it annoying as did the limited users I had trying it out….

@Xarex: Great insight into your experience with ocPortal; thanks for sharing!

If I may Lobo, let me tell you about a personal experience sounding similar to yours:

Elief.com has been hosting my ocPortal web sites for over two years now and a couple months ago as I was ready to open my virtual classroom site, they unfortunately suffered hardware breakdown during a major technology upgrade, which forced me to transfer my site to Lunarpages.com (a major California web host) which has been hosting several of my Joomla and PHPBB early attempts at CMS and Forum deployments. Within one month and without any warning, my ocPortal powered classroom: A State of Mind - Web 2.0 which was opening within 1 to 2 seconds was slapped with a damper (still present if you care to test, until my subscription with Lunar ends in June) causing delays between 1 to 2 minutes; essentially paralyzing the site. When I complained, I was told that my site was using more than the 2% allocated share of the server and that I should upgrade to a dedicated server. I had to scramble over a weekend to copy it back to Elief without losing any of the hundreds of contributions of 70 anxious students. I’m happy to be back with Elief and their commitment to excellence; the site, once cached, opens up within 2 seconds and moving between zones is also quite efficient.

The site is heavily “modded” with layers of custom comcode pages between 4 themes. It uses CEDI, News, Awards, Downloads and a decently active ocf forum for 70 students. It never suffered any kind of delay, even with 15 simultaneous desktop and laptop wireless connections in the physical classroom doing live experiments.

If you visit the websites created by this community’s members, hosted by other web hosting services, you might see similar, very acceptable performances. I can assure you that no one here would find the page load delay you describe acceptable.

I think that an important question to ask should be:
Are Web Hosting Services honest about hosting advanced Web Sites such as CMS or do they simply pretend to be, in order to hem in unsuspected web admins for one or two years?

The consequence of this devious practice is obviously difficult to accept, especially after a large investment of time as in your case, but it should not bring a foregone conclusion that ocPortal is to be blame for making available to the general public an outstanding product, which may require an honest hosting service for a pleasant experience and solid deployment.

Hoping to see you back one day, Lobo!
Best of luck!
Jean
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