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I am at the point in the development of my personal art site where I am considering using a shopping cart solution to sell my paintings to website visitors.

I know there is 'ecommerce' module available for ocPortal, I can't remember if I installed it when I downloaded the ocPortal package or not-hopefully that is not a problem. Is this a solution with a shopping cart? I read the tutorial and it looks like it is one of those beat your head against a few (many) walls before I can figure out how to use it in this way.

I noted that Chris in one place (State of ocPortal) mentions it might be better to use Magento. I have access to that through Elief but have not looked into it enough to determine if it is something that will work with ocPortal or is a standalone that replaces ocP.

I need some clues to help me decide what to do.


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I am guessing this is a ragged edge with ocP …so I am just going to have a buy button email alert if someone has an interest in buying something - not as slick or as instant as a shopping cart but it will do for now. Lots of other artists sites use the button alert or something more primitive - or worst yet no invitation or way to buy. It's not like it's too much to keep up with by email.


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I'm not sure I understand? I would think our e-commerce system is fine for what you want? You're not selling digital downloads are you but real artwork that you would ship, no?
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I'm not sure I understand? I would think our e-commerce system is fine for what you want? You're not selling digital downloads are you but real artwork that you would ship, no?
yes

…maybe I don't understand …but from the statement below I have thought our e-commerce system is not up to this yet.

From http://ocportal.com/site/news/view/chris_grahams_blog/state-of-ocportal-today.htm

State of ocPortal today said

eCommerce

We have a full shopping cart system in ocPortal, but currently I would not use it myself to create sites where shopping was the key aim. It would be much better to use something powerful and specialised like Magento.

However, of course ocPortal's huge advantage is that a whole wealth of features are available, so in many cases it is preferable to use ocPortal for shopping, and it would be nice if ocPortal could:
  • work with more payment gateways
  • do on-site payments
  • have support for gift vouchers
  • have more blocks relating to shopping (e.g. a "what's in your cart" block)
We actually implemented most of this functionality (and a lot more) for a client, and it was a huge 4-month development with 3 programmers involved. Unfortunately it was done on top of an older ocPortal version, and we've never had the resources to merge in the code. ocPortal continues to diverge, and it'd probably be a 2-week job to merge it all again and to get the code up to current standards.
I realize this quote is 5 months old and not apply anymore, if so it slipped by me (which might not be all that hard :lol:)


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I'd suggest that you make a list of your specific needs in terms of having an e-commerce solution for your site. I've run stores on three other shopping carts (one a bespoke system) but I was running straight e-commerce sites. I've also dabbled Magento. These all offer a all-the-bell-and-whistles solution but do you really need that.

ocPortal has a significant advantage in that it is already integrated with the rest of your site. From the eCommerce tutorial:
Use the software's eCommerce system to sell things through your website. Our eCommerce system has a wide scope, covering:
Usergroup subscription (i.e. sell site access)
Member invoicing
Online store / shopping cart
Programmers may also add new product types, including things with digital delivery

ocPortal works with Paypal which should be enough to get you started. They support a couple other payment gateways too, if I recall correctly. The biggest missing gateway is Authorize.net which I think is in the feature tracker. That would probably put you further ahead than those button email alert systems you mentioned.

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Thanks for your response Duck and BobS.

My needs are incredible simple as it goes. I have a product - artwork. I want someone to buy it. I will use PayPal as a payment method.


I would like a buyer to be able to select the product they want when they view it in the gallery and have it put in a shopping cart. They should have the option to select more products to buy or go to check out and use PayPal to make the purchase. I probably need a tool to figure out shipping and tax for those who live in my state.

I've never set up a cart  or gone through the process from a backside perspective so I am quite naive with this and not sure how all that integrates into what I want to do with it.


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I've honestly never looked at ocPortal's eCommerce solution so I am not really sure how well it works (e.g., if it handles shipping calculations and taxes).

I'm a bit busy this week but I'll take a look at what's in my v8 testing site when I get a chance. I remember seeing a couple of things about ecommerce in the commit log lately but I think that ecommerce is more-or-less the same as in v7.1.5.

I'll let you know what I find out.

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Okay, I just took a quick look at the e-commerce in v8 while I was waiting for some scans to complete.

It really is pretty primitive. You can set a tax rate(s) per product with the ability for the customer to opt-out. I don't see any way to impose a tax by region but I was just looking at the settings for the product catalog and the e-commerce configuration options. I did not see anywhere to define a region or zone to assign a tax to. Depending on where you are, this could be quite a problem. Some states require you to compute the tax by delivery address by country or county.

Shipping is also very primitive. It is calculated as a factor of weight with no provision for weight by zone like UPS or FedEx charges. It might work if you ship everything by a fixed-rate postal service and shipped only domestically.

These are two areas where specialized shopping software will typically outperform a e-commerce add-on for a CMS. They also offer thing like multiple shipping methods and discounting systems for large purchases.

I'd still take a look at ocPortal's system and see if you could make it work for you because of the integration. Integrating with a shopping cart is typically costly.

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I think being that your commerce needs are simple you would do well with ocPortals built in system. It certainly would get you started and if you find as your business grows you need more then I am sure at that point you can look at something else but your needs sound ideal for our commerce system to me.
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Where can I add a postage charge because at checkout there is no postage figure just a item price and I'm sure I set one somewhere. If I needed to charge $12.00 per 500g how would I do it. TIA


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Answered in separate thread, but on these specific numbers, that's 2.4c per gram, so if my math is right you'd have a shipping cost factor of 2.4 and a product weight of 500.


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