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I have read this paragraph 3 times over and I still don't understand what it means?

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Special tip: If you want a module to behave as if it was completely moved, you can set up a transparent redirect from your desired location to the actual location, and then another from the actual location to the desired location. ocPortal will sense your intent, so when you do something that searches for that module (e.g. for the CEDI module, doing a CEDI link) it will go to where you want.


I am not sure why you would want what looks like a looping redirect or is this paragraph trying to say if you create a loop by mistake ocPortal is smart enough to fix it on its own?
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Yeah thanks that's not too clear and possibly erroneous.


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If you want a module to behave as if it was completely moved, you can set up a transparent redirect from your desired location to the actual location, and then a non-transparent redirect from the actual location to the desired location. ocPortal will sense your intent, so when you do something that searches for that module (e.g. for the Wiki+ module, doing a Wiki+ link) it will go to where you want. For example, if you wanted to move the supermembers module from the Collaboration Zone to the Site zone, you could set up these redirects: site:supermembers–>collaboration:supermembers transparent and collaboration:supermembers–>site:supermembers non-transparent. ocPortal will see the transparent redirect as an indication the supermembers module really has a proper home in the site zone, and it will see the non-transparent redirect as an indication the supermembers module really does not have a proper home in the collaboration zone; ocPortal will respect these indications and link to the module in its new home.


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Wiki+?

You are not renaming CEDI to Wiki+ are you? CEDI is so much more than an enhanced wiki…. so much more.

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Oh, I didn't notice that terminology change slip in to what I pasted.

We are. This was discussed a while back, and the consensus was for it. When we created CEDI (or seedy as it was first known) nobody knew what a wiki was. Now people will look at feature lists for 'wiki'. Additionally, it is vital we strip out as much special terminology as possible from ocPortal so it aligns with concepts people already know; some people get overwhelmed and probably some will always do, so we need to minimise the information overload as much as we possibly can.


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Oh… well… darn.

I guess it does remove the need of me advertising it as "CEDI: Think Wiki on steroids + contrule forum + the god tool of content management."

But I have to say, I will miss that term. I will probably always refer to it as a CEDI :P

Hehe.. seedy… I like that. I bet when you named it CEDI you were simply looking for a cleaver set of abbrivations that would sound like seedy.

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The naming started as a joke, now it is unintentionally one ;).

'CD' (community database) wouldn't be a decent abbreviation for obvious reasons), so as a joke we called it 'seedy', then people didn't find it professional so we called it 'CEDI', now it's 'Wiki+' but it'll probably be v10 or v11 before we've removed all the internal uses of the names seedy & cedi from things like database table names.

CD -> seedy -> CEDI -> Wiki+


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I love the term "Wiki+" because it sounds like it's the next-generation of wikis, rather than "just another wiki application". :thumbs:


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Robbie Goacher said

I love the term "Wiki+"

I have the same thinking like Robbie. Wiki+ give the idea there is more.. :)


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I personally feel that "Wiki+" is:
1.) Bland
2.) Unoriginal
3.) Following the "Google+" trend
4.) Makes it seem like we are just now catching up with the "wiki craze", despite having a better than wiki tool since before wikipedia was popular

But yeah, all-in-all, a name is just a name. As long as there's no feature regression tied to the name change, I'm all good.

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2/3 – the name was thought up well before Google+. Possibly 3 or 4 years ago. Of course, people may think we're stealing it, but I can't help that so much, and I don't think it matters if they do. We'd call it a 'wiki' but it's not, so that'd be false advertising; 'wiki+' allows us to use a standard term while also indicating it is not necessarily so simple as a wiki and also indicating that we have something better. 3 birds.

1/4 – we're helping people make websites, which are a standard thing. When someone creates a website using ocPortal, they aren't creating an 'ocPortal website', they are creating a 'website'.


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Of course I agree with and understand the reasoning. I also agree that in the end, it is the best approach. I just wouldn't be me if I didn't be honest with how I feel about the name.

Please, you shouldn't feel the need to defend it. You should just crack open a cold one, sit back, glare at the monitor at my post, and throw darts at a picture of me.

If it makes you feel any better, I put up a fuss with Calligra developers as well over their name choices :P.

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;).

I just wouldn't be me if I didn't be honest with how I feel about the name

Ditto ;).

Seriously though, I tend to prefer open discussions, the truth comes out from it, and putting perspectives against each other is a learning opportunity for all discussers.


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While I have grown fond of the name CEDI I do think from a marketing POV Wiki+ makes the most sense.

That said while your updated definition of the redirection process is much better it still seems a little confusing and I still find I have to read that a couple times to make sense of it. I think that is a section of Documentation that could really use a pretty Flow Diagram.  ;)
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