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I still am on ocP 4.3.2 and am planning to upgrade to 5.0 in the next 2 weeks. I have done a lot of existing themeing changes in the TEMPLATES and the CSS codes. Am I going to have to reproduce those on 5.0? Will any of these survive the upgrade?

I have been following the Forum Topics noting the upgrade progress/problems of many upgraders to RC1 and it seemed like this upgrade was relative 'smooth" even though many bugs were found. Release 5.0 seemed to follow very quickly after which gives me confidence that this will be a quality version of ocPortal. So I am almost in a place where I feel comfortable to do the upgrade depending on how much repair/restore work will needed.

I know I should back up the site. Also I have been trying to decide whether I should go through the TEMPLATES AND CSS and make notation of the added code lines to add to the new TEMPLATES and style coding(?). I don't know that the theme wizard is going to get me too far.

I am asking because I want to know how much time I will have to allot to the upgrade and re-themeing. A lot of you have already tackled this issue and are on the other side happily webbing along so if you have some advice, please share… Thanks.

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My upgrade from 4.3.2 to 5.0RCI went real smooth, friendly. And the site was themed a lot. I think mythus had an issue here and there. But for me, I did a lot of template changes and after the upgrade, they stuck. Had one minor issue, and I do mean minor, but it wasn't a template issue or CSS issue.

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I would be tempted to take Eric's advice as he has been at this for quite some time and has literally jumped through many hoops in the past.

For my part, I've had numerous themeing issues with version 5.0.0 because I am trying to introduce a fixed width template with all that that entails. I notice your site is fluid, so it might turn out to be a breeze for you as the default template offered is fluid.

If you've done all your themeing using the ocP toolset and saved the graphics safely on your 'puter, I think you should be good to go.

HOWEVER, I am a bit of a 'chimp-coder', and you should take any advice I give with a pinch of salt …

Good luck, and let us know how it went!

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I opened the site that I upgraded so you can view it. Membership is turned off tho since it's still is not quite ready for members yet. It was on version 4.3.2. Now it's on 5.0RC1. Will be upgrading to 5.0 final soon.

IceMule Trace is a fansite of GemStone IV – IceMule Trace


Also, Jean (Islander-aua) made the Flash animation you see in the middle. This is actually a project I am working on for a paying client. So it will def. go in my portfolio when done.

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Well this is encouraging to hear that the themes may survive.

Eric, your 'work in progress' site is looking good. Thanks for the 'look see', maybe when finished let us know.

Fletch, what version did you upgrade from? …was it an older version than 4.x? I may end up with a fixed site at some time in the future although I don't want to borrow trouble for now.

I'm really excited about the version 5.0 and hope I will have a good go on the upgrade.


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Well this is encouraging to hear that the themes may survive.

Fletch, what version did you upgrade from? …was it an older version than 4.x? I may end up with a fixed site at some time in the future although I don't want to borrow trouble for now.

I'm really excited about the version 5.0 and hope I will have a good go on the upgrade.

I went from 4.3.2 to 5.0 RC1 to 5.0 Final. I experienced many 'apparent' problems, but in retrospect all my problems were of my own making.

I DIDN'T RE-READ THE TUTES!

With a little help and much encouragement from Alex I've overcome the main issue (the Shoutbox display). The site was temporarily opened for Alex to gain access as a Guest at Anglo-Indian Portal, and will stay open for a couple of days so that I can test out visitor access, etc. It shows a fixed width site, something I've eventually come to accept, as most peeps these days have huge wide-screen monitors and some elements of a design get lost in the 'translation' when displayed so wide. That's a personal take on the matter, and shouldn't be read as anything of significance.

Good luck with your venture.

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@Friendly

I did talked about my upgrade experience somewhere else on this site. So, just to add to this discussion, I had a smooth upgrade from 4.3.2 to 5 rc1, and finally a truly magical transition to 5.0.

My site is Fixed Width, and for members it does make use of many ocPortal features, including several groups and private Student Zones. One zone is entirely "Macromedia Flash". I moved the original site manually from a California Host to Elief in Texas where I have been much happier in terms of speed and ease of work with their very efficient cPannel Interface. I have since upgraded to every versions of ocPortal without a major glitch.

During the upgrade process you will get a list of CSS and Templates that differ from the latest version. I have seen all my modifications automatically and smoothly transitioned to the new files. You will get all the original .css and .tpl from the custom themes folders identified with .css.editfrom and .tpl.editfrom and will be able to compare them with the ones newly installed by the upgrade. If anything is off, it would be fairly easy to find out why and attempt corrections. The Database upgrade was equally smooth, without the slightest hiccup. The 4.3.2 to 5rc1 auto upgrade took no more than 4 minutes, plus about 10 minutes to clean caches, inspect and delete redundant files and test the result. The 5rc1 to 5.0 took 1 minute "turn on a dime" and I was in business again.

Your site has much more themeing and has a more complex depth than mine, but If you take several good backups from ocPortal's own, to the Server's and several Database backups with phpMyAdmin, you should have all the protection you need and confidence that it will succeed.:thumbs:

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Hi there,

which upgrade procedure did you guys go through? I have a test installation on my laptop. The "real" site (ocp 4.3.2) is not online yet, but I didn't dare experimenting with it. What I tried so far:

- pressing "Upgrader" button from the Admin Zone: Nothing happens at all.
- calling upgrader.php directly and pasting the tar file's URL from the release page: blank page after 1 minute, no upgrade taken place
- uploading the tar file to the local webserver and pasting the local URL into the upgrader.php: same as above
- unpacking the tar file and merging its content over the old installation, db-upgrade with upgrader.php: complete mess with database errors, missing files etc.
- unpacking the 5.0.0 full manual installer, merging themes and lang_custom dirs from 4.3.2, db-upgrade with upgrader.php : complete mess.

I think I'm not experiencing minor glitches here. So, how did you do it?

Have a nice one,
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Not sure why the upgrader button wouldn't work. Just tested, worked correctly for me – opens up a new window/tab with the upgrader script. All I can think is if you have a very strict popup blocker or somehow the window opened up in the background for you.

With the upgrade blankness, this is something that can happen if a server is running slowly. There's not much we can do for v4, but people upgrading from v5 to newer versions when they come will get advantage of an improved upgrader here.

You can unpack manually. You'll need to tell us exact specifics about the 'complete mess'. What specific errors, how did you generate the TAR, did you rebuild the theme (5 is not theme compatible)?


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Lowlander said

Hi there,

which upgrade procedure did you guys go through?

This one:

Lowlander said

- calling upgrader.php directly and pasting the tar file's URL from the release page

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Hi there,

I went through the upgrade process on my laptop several times now and once on the (not yet) productive server. On the server I used the paste-URL-to-upgrade-into-upgrader procedure and when I ran the integrity check I ended up with a load of outdated files. The site was operative though. Then - with the intention to get rid of those outdated files - I uploaded the extracted upgrade with ftp, and ran the integrity check again. It still shows a load of outdated files, but now there is a lot of missing files as well. Most if not all of them belong to modules I had uninstalled many moons ago. And the Admin Zone keeps bailing out, complaining about a non existent page (netlink) being called.

Any hints? Is the integrity check meant to be run after an upgrade at all?
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there is a lot of missing files as well

Yes, uploading manually can be done, but it's not ideal for this reason. You would have put the sources/hooks/systems/addon_registry/whatever.php files from the uninstalled addons back. You can probably identify which addons you uninstalled (.tar files of them will exist in imports/mods I think) and delete their addon-registry PHP files.
Then the integrity checker should show some other files from those addons as alien and help you delete them.


Regarding your main problem, we did have a problem a while ago where on 64 bit machines our files.dat (hash signature file) interpreted differently and gave errors. This was fixed though. The symptoms sound very familiar though. If you could send me your data/files.dat file, and also one of the files it says is outdated, I can try and deduce the problem better.
chris@ocportal.com

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p.s. I don't like these challenging "it is all going nuts" problems, so I really want to help – it's just that right now I can't as I don't have the facts I need to trace what's happening.


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Hey Chris,

I did another update after first switching the installation language from DE to EN. No notable difference there.

I found that the stack trace that shows up where the Admin Zone main page should be relates to the flagrant module, which is one of those addons I dumped a while ago. This may reflect the symptom you described, restoring unwanted addons by manually uploading the upgrade.

I reverted the server back to its original 4.3.2 state by restoring a backup. Is there anything I should check before screwing everything up again? I think taking notes of no longer installed addons might be a clever thing to do.

Have a nice one,
Low

PS: I could give you access, too, if you prefer to have a peek for yourself.
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Hi,

If you can give me access, absolutely I am very willing to investigate the failed upgrade state.


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