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maybe not as obvious as it should be!

You might be interested to know that several of my students have reported being completely lost as to how to register with ocPortal after receiving my invitation to join

The email is not clear and apparently (I have not seen it) contains no "Join Link" and even after my comment to click on the ocPortal Logo or use the browser address "ocportal.com" to get to the Home page, it was still very unclear to most as to what they should do next. The join link is evident only if someone clicks on Community and Forums and Proceed. However, it is also on the footer, but most never think of looking at the footer. I had to post a tutorial with step by step images.;)
  • I kindly suggest adding a direct link to the Join page on the email
  • Adding a Join link button on the Home page of ocPortal
Thanks,:)
Jean
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I would send you a join email so you could see but I dont know A. Where it is and
B. If you can get one being your already joined.

But If it is not idiot proof, abundantly, clear where the next step is it can get lost in all the text sometimes.


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Sahs said

I would send you a join email so you could see but I dont know A. Where it is and
B. If you can get one being your already joined.

But If it is not idiot proof, abundantly, clear where the next step is it can get lost in all the text sometimes.




LOL-Thanks anyway, Sahs!

I've asked them (the students) to send me a copy. Got none so far; they must not find the link to reply to me! :lol: Just kidding guys!
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Oh I just sent myself one. I get it but I can see where someone else may not.

Here is a screen shot of how it arrives. The "test" is what someone can write in the invite before sending. It is a click-able (linked) image to http://ocportal.com/start.htm

Definitely needs a button and or some brief description of what it is and how to get there.


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- Sahs

Thanks for the confirmation!

That's what I thought from their explanation, and so told them to click on it:lol:

Jean
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Jean said

You might be interested to know that several of my students have reported being completely lost as to how to register with ocPortal after receiving my invitation to join

The email is not clear and apparently (I have not seen it) contains no "Join Link" and even after my comment to click on the ocPortal Logo or use the browser address "ocportal.com" to get to the Home page, it was still very unclear to most as to what they should do next. The join link is evident only if someone clicks on Community and Forums and Proceed. However, it is also on the footer, but most never think of looking at the footer. I had to post a tutorial with step by step images.;)
  • I kindly suggest adding a direct link to the Join page on the email
  • Adding a Join link button on the Home page of ocPortal
Thanks,:)
Jean
This issue has been filed on the tracker as issue #566, with a fix.


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The main_greeting block allows putting an easy join message on the site.

Otherwise your issues are resolved in the above changes.


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Thank you, Chris!

That fix will come in handy. However, I had no issue with invites on my sites. My concerns were on the recommended address here for ocPortal.com. It sends out an email which is not at all clear about the way to join, actually it is more of a recommendation to visit, although I have changed this for a Joining message. I found that it is a missed opportunity in its lack of a clear joining button.

Sorry if I misstated my point. French will do this to me sometimes!;)
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Thank you, Chris!

That fix will come in handy. However, I had no issue with invites on my sites. My concerns were on the recommended address here for ocPortal.com. It sends out an email which is not at all clear about the way to join, actually it is more of a recommendation to visit, although I have changed this for a Joining message. I found that it is a missed opportunity in its lack of a clear joining button.

Sorry if I misstated my point. French will do this to me sometimes!;)
Seems as if it might be a good idea to enable the invitation option here on ocPortal.com. It's certainly one way to try to grow awareness and the userbase.

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Seems as if it might be a good idea to enable the invitation option here on ocPortal.com. It's certainly one way to try to grow awareness and the userbase.

Bob
I think I saw invitation option somewhere on the left here right under

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Turning on invites explicitly effectively is turning off open joining. But the way I altered it now is the admin can invite someone to join even though the recommendee could have joined on their own accord. Non-admins would need to be explicit in their recommend message regarding what they wanted the person to do.

I'm sure this could be tuned. We could alter the recommend form to give a number of templates to choose from, and then allow the admin to manage those set of templates. Or we could include a more comprehensive default recommend message and then guide the admin on how to customise that based on desired actions for their own site.

So lots could be tuned, but that's the case for just about anything. There are tradeoffs involved - more default options means more assumptions about what the purpose of a site is. More choice means more complexity on the form, or more configuration required by the admin. And more code means more work for me ;).

Regarding this site, to be honest it's not the biggest priority at the moment. For now please just include a signup link in the message field of the recommend form and that'll do well enough. I appreciate the feedback though! At the very least, it's a discussion ;).


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Chris Graham said

Turning on invites explicitly effectively is turning off open joining.
I forgot about that. I used that option very effectively to give certain people advanced access to my site prior to its full launch.

Putting the signup link in manually with proper explanation is really not so onerous. But, long-term, options should be explored to make this "one-click" easy – that is how things go viral and it would most likely help ocPortal attract new blood too.

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Well, I've searched and poked everywhere, except where I would find it, but here goes.

All I want to do is setup our ocPortal to an invitation only site. Eg.
  • Guest enters the Welcome page and only finds a bit of the company information and how to be invited.
  • Guest can request an invitation directly from the ocPortal Admin.
  • ocPortal replies with the process to acquire an invitation.
  • Upon satisfying invitation requirements, ocPortal Admin sends Guest an invitation to Join as a member.
  • Guest enters user information and Submits.
  • Admin accepts User submission and sends Welcome e-mail to User with confirmation and login information.
Basically, remove the ability to Join from Welcome page, Admin sends invite, User enters info, Admin confirm invite, Admin send User info.  All happy.

So far I’ve got most figured out.  I just need to remove Join, send Invite link and confirm Invite after guest has accepted and entered user info.

Easy Peasy huh?
So, what am I missing? :dry:
 
Thank you,
Maurice


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Requesting invitations isn't currently an ocPortal feature. There is a feature for an existing user to generate an invitation, so you could hook up a contact form that goes to admin to kind of get what you want (the assumption being that admin then manually generates the invite), but it's not ideal.

So, what am I missing?  :dry:

Frankly, you've designed a particular process, which perhaps some sites have but is relatively rare (maybe 0.05% of sites have it) and expecting it to be built in because everything that makes some sense would obviously already be in ocPortal ;). That'll never be the case, as there are so many different things sites do out there. You really need to approach this with the mindset of writing a technical spec for your site and hiring a consultant/developer to guide on what is already possible and implement new functionality for where it's not – or if there's no/low budget, starting with the most basic thing, and then spending time to see what you can do to tune it closer to what you want.

I do like the idea, so I have filed it on the tracker:
0000675: Request invitation feature - ocPortal feature tracker
It'd need somebody/some-people to sponsor the development though, or contribute the code.


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Actually, it just occurred to me we kind of do have this functionality, but it is implemented in different terms. We have member approval, you can just turn this on with a config option and the admin has to approve each signup. It's effectively the same thing as requesting an invite, except of course the member just approves, does not generate a username/password.


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Hi Chris,

Thanks a bunch!  I've implimented the Valitation/Member Approval.  I will remove Join from the mainpage and direct the potential member to the Join page after the've satisfied the initial requirements, then they can just login on the main website after validation.
Very Coolio:)
Thanks,
Maurice

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