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Silly question #3

Greetings,

Ok so I am building up my site using ocportal into a user friendly forum-based RP site, and then I realize… I haven't set up any moderators.

I look all over and all I see is that staff seems to consist of only super moderators and administrators….

So I come here and search, and find nothing on it….

Therefore may I present silly question # 3, a two part question;
How do I set up forum moderators, and how do I give staff access or make other people part of the staff team without making them a super mod or an administrator?

This seems like something that would be extremly easy to do to me, having worked with other board and cms software. But I just can't seem to figure it out here. So feel free to laugh at my inexperience and please kindly point me to the solution.

Thanks in advance for the superb support I know I can expect here :)

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I am not sure how to do things with ocf sorry.

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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I think OCF is a great and powerful forums software, but configuring permissions to work for it is a pain…

I think for example we should be able to go into Security > Forums > Set Permissions

Once in there we have permissions set for every forum we created in OCF for read, write, upload, edit (own), edit others, delete own, delete others,… that kind of stuff, with check boxes not the confusing permission tree method…

Also you should be able to set permssions on each forum when you make the forum. At least that is how I feel.

I would also love to see on each forum a place to select moderators, and also an ability to make a staff member without that person being a super moderator or administrator. Single forum moderators for example should be counted as staff.


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Just wanted to add here that about the last paragraph in my above post…

You can go into Specific Permissions to set some of the more general permissions. But still have to go into Permission tree for the detailed posting permissions.

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Hi mythus,

Thanks for your feedback on permissions. We're aware how complex it seems and there are some things we have in mind to improve it. Can I asked if you've read the permissions tutoral? It should clarify some of the concepts involved.
One of the problems we face is ocPortal has much more scope and flexibility compared to standalone forum software, and our permission model has to reflect that. At the same time we don't want things to be too spread out or confusing. Also we want to minimise the number of settings someone needs to change in order to configure their site. There are also other issues we consider, like making features universal and consistent across the system.
So it's all very complex for us to make well too, but rest assured we do have some ideas :).

Also you should be able to set permssions on each forum when you make the forum. At least that is how I feel.

Actually you can (and also when you edit one). It's hidden behind a permissions expander though.
These permissions that you can configure here are the same as shown in the Permission Tree Editor.

I would also love to see on each forum a place to select moderators, and also an ability to make a staff member without that person being a super moderator or administrator. Single forum moderators for example should be counted as staff.

OCF is different here, and I admit in some ways it's more tricky to add moderators. On the flip-side, you get more control.

What you need to do is to add a new usergroup and assign that usergroup the appropriate permissions. Then add your 'moderator' to that group as a secondary member (view the usergroup and you'll see there's an option to add a member to it).


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Right, I understand the desire and need to have a centralized location for permissions and to limit the already daunting amount of choices an admin gets to go through to customize their site. ocPortal is definetly very extensive, configurable, and well… powerful.

Yeah I skimmed through the permissions turtorial several times, but admit I need to read it a bit better (and when not distracted lol). However I may make some suggestions…

1.) Yes I see that permissions setting for the forums now. How silly of me not to notice it before. But then again, this is why I asked in Silly Questions, as I was sure I was over looking things. However have you considered changing the permissin interface there into a check box interface than the somewhat clumsy +/- thing? You could keep the basic drop list oof permission types and even the check all box, but I have found that sometimes the +/- fields don't load right and I have too go through and click them again. Clicking on the box to make or remove a checkmark seems easier for these types of permissions to me.

2.) This could be done to the permission tree as well. Kee the tree, just get rid of the +/- field and replease with a checkbox field. I think that would simlify it even more, that subtle change. (/10ths of my frustration with the permission tree is not the tree itself as I understand why it's so complex.. but the way I have to interface in it.

3.) May I suggest that Validation be an option configurable for the Forum module? IOW's you can select if you want post approval first and for which groups. You could then go into the Permission tree if you want to fine tune it.

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SO you are saying to create a moderator, I simply create the group, then give them the extra powers on the forum I want them to moderate? So basically what I'd need to do is create a mod group for each forum I have correct? THat is feesible, and something I am used to from having used e107. However does this also extend staff privlidges? I assume I could simply grant that group permissions to access the staff only sections…

Thanks for your help Chris. As always I appreicate it. I am still loving ocPortal, but the trip through the permission tree (all because I removed most of the default user groups to create my own) has shown me the one negative I knew had to exist. But I don't blame it.. after all… If you want a completely customizable system you have to be prepared for complexity… if you want a simple system then you have to give up on customization and power.

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I'm not going to take the stance of defending our system as I'm with you it can be improved, so I'll just clarify things…

Clicking on the box to make or remove a checkmark seems easier for these types of permissions to me.

The reason for the +/- dropdown is that there are 3 options in it: set (+), unset (-), or inherit (blank). Inherit takes from the global specific permissions. (E.g. global permission to add mid-range content).

As for it not saving, that's another matter entirely! If you get a consistent problem please file a bug and we'll investigate!

May I suggest that Validation be an option configurable for the Forum module?

Yes, actually it is. As long as it isn't being overridden, you can set it on the forumview (or is it topics, I can never remember!) module in the permission tree editor and it'll get inherited.

SO you are saying to create a moderator, I simply create the group, then give them the extra powers on the forum I want them to moderate? So basically what I'd need to do is create a mod group for each forum I have correct?

Yep, that's it.

However does this also extend staff privlidges? I assume I could simply grant that group permissions to access the staff only section

In ocPortal there isn't really much of a 'staff' concept. Almost everything is done via permissions. Just make sure you don't tick 'is super moderator' or 'is administrator' when you add your usergroup, and that you don't give permissions you don't need to.


Thanks again for all the feedback and politeness.


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Ah alright.

Thanks again for your responces. I believe I can make that work for my needs.

About the saving thing.. what I mean is say for example I click on the "Copy from Group" button. Sometimes I have to click on it and a view of the +/_ fields before it goes "Oh yeah… you wanted this like the group before" and I can never seems to disable to copy from group, meaning that once I click on that magic button and it copies the permissions the first time, it does it for every user group, regardless if I wanted it to or not. Also it feels lagy compared in contrast with your Specific Permissions area which is check mark box style. However admittedly that could be something on the server's end and not my own…


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meaning that once I click on that magic button and it copies the permissions the first time, it does it for every user group, regardless if I wanted it to or not

Click the button you clicked to start the duplication process again to finish it.


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