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Anyone ever been able to generate one?

We have written 30+ news/blog pieces since moving our site over a month ago now, and have yet to generate anything - which was a BIG reason for moving to begin with.

If you have had success, please share a URL to the article or post itself. Would like to review it.

Thanks much

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I will take a look at this myself again soon. However, if anyone has any ideas/knowledge relating to Google News, it would definitely help.

We're sending out pings, and I'm sure they're getting through to Google. We're properly registering an RSS feed, and an XML sitemap, and we probably go further than other software to make the news pages intelligible (e.g. using schema.org). So I don't know if there is something we're missing – I'll see if I can find reference to anything.


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I didn't catch on this before, but there is a specific process just to get onto Google News. For reference, these URLs sum up the process…

Page layout guidelines - News (publishers) Help
News Sitemaps overview - News (publishers) Help
Article location - News (publishers) Help
Grupos do Google
Getting Included in Google News - SEO Chat

I will look into doing this for you.

Getting listed as a blog is automatic. This was what I was looking at before. You are listed (you do come up in blog searches), although not ranking very highly.

If anyone wants to get an SEO expert to look at a real ocPortal site and provide general optimisation tips, there's a good chance we would do implementation at no cost as a 'bug fix' (within reason). I think we do a good job (we support a tonne of standards properly), but it's always good to get external opinions from people who have a perspective different to us.


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I am going to add news sitemap support to ocPortal and the possibility for adherence to Google's "Each URL must contain at least three digits" guideline.

On your end (i.e. the procedural / content end), these are three things you need to be aware of…

  • Google News only includes sites that they perceive as operational organizations. This requires a clear editor/writer structure, author bios, company information, a physical address, phone numbers, etc. In short, it includes anything that shows you're an operational publication that can produce consistent, high quality, fresh content.
  • There is no official statement on this from Google, but it's obvious they want to see at least two to three quality articles per day.
  • Google said

    Depending on the volume of inclusion requests we receive, it can take up to several weeks to hear back about your site. We do promise to look at it though– if you've responded to the automated reply, you're set for the moment.


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Ok…

I have added ocPortal support for news sitemaps. I've submitted it to Google. Each time you post news it will update, and be resubmitted (along with the ping which already happens). This is yours:
http://www.fauowlsnest.com/ocp_news_sitemap.xml

I have added support for "Each URL must contain at least three digits". But I have not enabled it, because:
a) It's not actually required anymore if you have a News sitemap.
b) It's ugly.
c) I don't want to deprecate all your old news URLs.

I have not applied to Google for you, as you need to make sure any procedural/content points such as those mentioned above are being met on your end (I think the main thing is ensuring you have good contact details on the site, so it's not looking too blog-like, but really I don't know exactly how Google assesses you).

Once you're confident you're ready for Google to assess the site, here's where to go:
Contact us - News (publishers) Help


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Once again, I cant log in here.

I enter my name and password, and nothing happens…the page just reloads and prompts for the information again…strange.

Anyway, we wrote one per week before on WordPress and were getting alerts within two hours after a post. We have written two a day for the last week on ocPOrtal and nothing.

As far as authors, 247 (a very similar site to ours) is getting alerted three and four times per article, and they are a premium site that you have to pay to read?! We follow the exact same authorship as they do.

I must say that our site map contained a lot of what I would consider to be useless information. I sent the following feedback to Francois to provide to you, but it probably never made it to you:

3. On the Site Map available for guests, we have content pages that are meaningless like Qizzes (blank), Polls (blank), Keyboard shortcuts. Calendar (blank), and Downloads (blank).

Google is not going to like this?




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Hi Rick,

It is frustrating to me too, because it is largely outside my control what the search engines do, and nobody (outside the likes of Google) knows exactly how they work. We can only be SEO experts here in the sense that we know and follow the standards. However, other people who focus solely on SEO may be better at second guessing how the search engines actually are behaving, so as I say I welcome any external advice you can bring to us and am very likely to action it at no charge - so my advice is to look there then ask them to get in touch with us with suggestions. I'm trying my best for you in terms of investigating and following up on anything I find, spending many hours and not charging for it. I can't speak for how exactly Wordpress was coded and doing, what your competitors are doing, what Google is doing precisely to rank sites, it's all outside what our role here and very difficult to accurately ascertain anyway, mostly due to the secrecy of Google. As Wordpress is so popular, it may well be the case that Google have optimised specifically against it, which is also quite frustrating.

I see you are coming up high enough on Google itself. For example, your latest post comes up if I search for FAU overwhelmed. It also comes up in Google Blog Search if I put it in quotes, so you are being indexed at least.

Your XML Sitemap is being very well indexed by Google (~83% indexed). You are not receiving a significant volume of server errors. I have gone through Google Webmaster Tools a number of times to make sure there are no issues.

I have just made a couple of changes:
  • We will now ping Google Blog Search directly, rather than doing it via ping-o-matic. I have also done a manual ping just now, to see if that kicks it into action.
  • We will now ping the news RSS direct to search engines each time a news article is added, as a sitemap. This probably won't help here as the main Google seems to be doing fine, but I thought worth doing and worth mentioning. It might be Google hooks it's sitemap pinging up in a different way to it's blog pinging.

Since my last post it seems you are now being indexed in Google News. I think it means they've approved you for that now.

This is getting a bit confusing in terms of terminology. So let me give the direct status on some specific jargon:
  • Google Search: you seem to be well indexed
  • Google News: you are starting to be indexed now that we set this up
  • Google Blog Search: you are indexed but not ranking very well yet (it may just be a matter of time, I've seen others complain/mention it took a long time to start ranking well - but I welcome outside reporters to provide suggestions on how we can optimise it)
  • Ping: we ping your RSS feed to various blog services whenever you post news, and now also direct to the search engines as a Sitemap
  • Google Alert: Google's service for notifying about new URLs in its index. It can track a specific Google search engine, e.g. just blogs, so will largely be tied to how well you are indexed on that search engine. I have also seen some articles about Google Alert not working well for anyone regardless of indexing, but I do note you said it works well for your competitor
  • XML Sitemap: we generate the XML sitemap with all URLs that non-logged-in users can access. This includes news, the forum, etc. This is separate to the sitemap you see on the website itself. The XML website is being very well indexed.

Once again, I cant log in here.

I enter my name and password, and nothing happens…the page just reloads and prompts for the information again…strange.

If this happens again, please use a tool such as Jing to record exactly what is happening on the screen so we can investigate. It's not something other users have been reporting though, so could have been a problem with your connection/ISP at that time. We have had a few issues with our web host in the last week so that also could be the cause.

I must say that our site map contained a lot of what I would consider to be useless information. I sent the following feedback to Francois to provide to you, but it probably never made it to you:

3. On the Site Map available for guests, we have content pages that are meaningless like Qizzes (blank), Polls (blank), Keyboard shortcuts. Calendar (blank), and Downloads (blank).

Google is not going to like this?

Google will primarily use the XML sitemap, which actually contains significantly more links (e.g. to every forum topic), but Google is still indexing that well.
Regardless, the indexing of your site on the main Google seems fine, it's just the blog ranking that seems to not be working well.

If you want to get rid of these links because you're not going to use the features, you can go to Admin Zone > Structure > Addons and uninstall the features. The sitemap will then not link to them. You can also remove Guest permissions from Admin Zone > Security > Permission Tree Editor, and then Google will not see them.


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Thanks for the feedback Chris, and the updates!

I have isolated that the log in issue is occurring only when the "remember me" box is is not checked. So will keep that in tact.

Also, submitted the site for review to Google as you outlined, but made some modifications to the Contact Us page first…it had no e-mails, just a comment box. I noticed they did not want that, so beefed it up.

We'll see what happens now……
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