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How do I go about making a glossary?

Greetings,

In that I am running a fantasy post-to-play RPG, many times terms that are not used in common english are used on the site. It is at these times a glossary is useful, as a quick way to get a meaning to a word and enhance your ability to relate with the game world.

While I do not like to compare to other CMS'es out there as ocPortal is much more than a simple CMS; in other CMS'es such as Joomla or e107, there is something called a glossary plug-in/module/component etc… What this does is it gives you a page/database where you can add in a word and it's definition, and every time that word is used in your site, it links that word to the definition either bringing you to the page where the definition is stored, or providing a tool tip definition or whatever.

It did enhance the understanding of the game world for my site members, and is perhaps the most missed function. I have tried to resolve this missing function using the wonderful CEDI. I basically created a section in it called Glossary, with category pages for each glossary category. Members can submit posts in each category to add words to that category if so desired.

Now, there are only two missing elements from this.

1.) The ability to make the terms alphabetical automatically.

2.) The ability to auto-link to used terms in game play.

Now, as I write this post I think I have an answer to number 1 (don't you hate it when that happens?). That is I could replace the CEDI page for Glossary with a Catalogue system for glossary. The catalogue would keep things alphabetical for me. However how would I resolve #2? Any ideas?

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I like where you are going with this …
and will be interested in the solutions/ ideas that surface in your quest.


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Right now, the only way I can think of having links to a 'glossary' would be to manually link the word I want defined to the page of that defines the word. I would much rather have a more automated system for this of course… if anyone has any ideas.

Also using the catalogue system, I have made a clear, organized glossary. I have made a form that incorporates the following fields; Term, How to Say Word (Pronunction), and Definition.

I made a menu link that goes to the Glossary Catalogue Cetegory Page. From there you select your category, and view the words within or add to the words.


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There's a Comcode syntax where you can do [[whatever]] and it'll link to the CEDI page of the same name.
There's also a View-Tree option in CEDI.
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Yes, I am aware of the CEDI comcode links. The tree view, are you refering to the edit tree option that basically creates links to pages from a CEDI page? If so, then yes, I make use of that in my CEDI. I do happen to have a very detailed, laid out CEDI set up.

However comparing the two for the purposes of a glossary, it is of my oppinion that the catalogue works better in this aspect. The catalogue will automatically disply each term in alphabetical order in several different formats. I myself prefer to use the link/tree format, which unlike the CEDI doesn't create really a new page but makes each term like an independent page. Clicking the link lets you view the term, but not post more to that term (exce[pt maybe comments if you have them enabled).

Also the catalogue allows me to create an easy to use form for members to submit terms and definitions with. This fool proof form prevents someone from breaking the desired term-definition layout and provides the opportunity for me to give a clear description of what each field is calling for.

Yes the CEDI is awesome, and I make good use of it… but for the glossary, the catalogue seems to work best. Obviously I'd like even more an offical glossary tool that provides auto-linking capabilities… but hey, that is something that wouldn't be used byu everyone and is something I can live without.

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Maybe catalogues are best, but for the sake off discussion I'll just explain a couple of points…

  1. The CEDI tree I'm referring to is at the site:cedi:tree page link
  2. You can edit a CEDI page and specify to hide the posts behind an expander, which makes it more Wiki-like.
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Yes, I am aware of this.

CEDI page: Using the Site - Legends of NorOva

CEDI page: Lands of Nor'Ova - Legends of NorOva

CEDI page: Setting Information - Legends of NorOva

These are just a few exampls from my own CEDI (Encyclopedia NorOva). The first one illustrates that I do understand you can hide posts for the more wiki-like approach. The second one should illustrate that I understand how to make a CEDI page, with tree, and the last one shows just a plain tree.

I am only showing this since there seems to be the thought that I do not understand the CEDI. I do. And yes I am still building and improving on my Encyclopedia NorOva.

Now, I will like to direct your attention to the difference in using CEDI and using Catalogue for a glossary.

CEDI Version:
CEDI page: Glossary - Legends of NorOva

Catalogue Version, Still being populated:
Category: Glossary - Legends of NorOva

I only do this because I understand that sometimes examples are required. Otherwise it just becomes a "Well he says he understands but he might not…" argument.

I do thank you for your advice in the matter however, please don't get me wrong. I just wanted to illustrate that I do understand the CEDI and it's many possible functions but feel that the catalogue works best here.

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My friend's RP fansite is going to have a VERBAGE area where members can submit verbs used in the actual gaming site. So it's almost like a glossary per say….

Would the catalogue be recommended over CEDI for this (in your own humble opinions)?

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Greetings,

It really depends on how he wants to use it.

If he wants to make a ready made form so that users will defeintly follow the same form with each term/verb…

If he wants it to be automatically alphabetical…

Then yes.

Now if he rather create wiki-like pages…

Doesn't really care if a standard form is followed or not…

Wants people to submit in a posting like method versus filling out form…

And alphabetical order isn't what he's after…

Then the CEDI would be fine.

Now since you did ask for my oppinion, the CEDI is best for making a collection of large informational pages while the catologue is best for lists, forms, and databases. Since I believe that a glossary or any collection of words is more of a database than an encyclopedia entry, I would favor the catalogue approach here.

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I think Catalogue will be their best bet also.  :thumbs:

I set up a couple pages already to show him how easy it will be for members to submit.

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