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Does anyone using OCP have a good google listing, one where it lists the main link to the site, then all the other links (like forums, etc) below it?    I thought this perhaps had to do with the site list (directory) that it picks up, but not sure.  

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Yep, Google picks up on these site links, and you can further configure them using Google's Webmaster Tools.

Search Google for "ocPortal" and our website, with some of these site links, should show up as the first result.


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Yeah, that's how I want mine listed as well.  Guess I'll have to do a bit more looking around those webmaster tools.

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Robbie Goacher said

Yep, Google picks up on these site links, and you can further configure them using Google's Webmaster Tools.

Search Google for "ocPortal" and our website, with some of these site links, should show up as the first result.

That's interesting the way it shows up.  I would like to ask that Arbo report back on what was found (if possible).

Chris, you may want to check whatever your configuration is though, because one of the main "sub-links" under ocPortal is "ocPortal 6 Released!".  Some updating may be necessary so that the version 9 release is displayed (if possible).
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Well, here's some information on 'sitelinks'.  Google says it is automatic, but you can 'demote' ones you don't want listed, so they could 'demote' the v6 release link.

Sitelinks - Webmaster Tools Help

Interestingly I still get a lot of crawl errors on OCP.  A lot of duplicate meta descriptions.  And my content keywords suck (top one is 'topic').. gonna have to do a lot of digging into this and see how I can change all of this to get better recognition in google.

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This is interesting, same meta data for what appears to be every post in OCF.   Did I set up something wrong, or forget something?


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Arbo said

Does anyone using OCP have a good google listing, one where it lists the main link to the site, then all the other links (like forums, etc) below it?    I thought this perhaps had to do with the site list (directory) that it picks up, but not sure.  
Yep, but for my site you have to search "lastgamer.net" or "last gamer" instead of "lastgamer".

For your site if you search for "air-rc.com" you will see "Member's Blogs" as a sub-item.

What appears as sub-items is context sensitive. For my site, "last gamer" gets me:

   Q & A
   Polls
   Galleries
   Get Ready . . . OutRun
   Music
   Members

and "lastgamer.net" get me:

   LXJ
   Q & A
   Galleries
   Music
   Real collecting tips
   Polls

Do you have a Samsung Galaxy S / Galaxy S II ? If so, why not check out my ScreenFree FM Radio .
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Interesting, I went to google and typed "air-rc.com" and I don't get any sub items.

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Remember that google always returns targeted results, so everyone can potentially get different results.

F.Y.I. Here is what I see for "air-rc.com":

Do you have a Samsung Galaxy S / Galaxy S II ? If so, why not check out my ScreenFree FM Radio .
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Interesting.  I wonder why it (and my site) has that 'welcome back arbo' text…    Ok, some silly welcome screen stuff, got rid of it, hopefully google updates that.

Now to figure out how to change the meta data for different messages (i.e. to dream the impossible dream).

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Chris, you may want to check whatever your configuration is though, because one of the main "sub-links" under ocPortal is "ocPortal 6 Released!".  Some updating may be necessary so that the version 9 release is displayed (if possible).

This wasn't happening for my standard searches, but I looked on google.fr (just to shift to another Google server really), saw it there and removed it as you suggested - thanks.

Interestingly I still get a lot of crawl errors on OCP.  A lot of duplicate meta descriptions.  And my content keywords suck (top one is 'topic').. gonna have to do a lot of digging into this and see how I can change all of this to get better recognition in google.

You have to remember that Google's tools are very often written for people who are hand-crafting sites. These people are thinking about each individual URL, and what it's meta-data is. For something like ocPortal, ocPortal has to supply the meta data from what it has in the database – so it has to decide, what is the description for a topic? ocPortal will use the configured topic description if there is one, but otherwise it has to resort to the globally configured meta description.


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So it uses topic description, not topic?

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You mean the topic title? No, that forms part of the page title, it's not really a description. Remember the description is used to construct the actual descriptions you see on Google, it should be around a paragraph in length.


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I'm confused about which 'description' you are talking about.   You mean the one that is under the forum name on the main forum page?

Google is not indicating that it is getting any of that from my site as meta-data…

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When you start a new topic, it lets you put in a Description for the topic, as well as a Title.


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That's what I thought you were talking about, I turned off descriptions for topics, as it is redundant (IMO).   Is there a way to make it send the topic rather than the description to the meta data?

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Yeah it should be available via {$META_DATA,title}, so in HTML_HEAD.tpl you can do something like…

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{+START,IF,{$MATCH_KEY_MATCH,forum:topicview}}
<meta ... {$META_DATA*,title} ... />
{+END}
{+START,IF,{$NOT,{$MATCH_KEY_MATCH,forum:topicview}}}
...
{+END}


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Ok, thanks.  Took me a second for my brain to ungel after opening that .tpl file.

Near the top I did this:

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{+START,IF,{$MATCH_KEY_MATCH,forum:topicview}}
<meta name="description" content="{$META_DATA*,title}" />
{+END}
{+START,IF,{$NOT,{$MATCH_KEY_MATCH,forum:topicview}}}
<meta name="description" content="{+START,IF,{$NEQ,{$META_DATA,meta_description},{!NA},???}}{$META_DATA*,meta_description}{+END}" />
{+END}

 
The latter 'description' was default, so I think, now if a user/spider is viewing a topic, they will get the topic as description, otherwise they will get the default meta description for the site. 

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Looks right for me. Of course you can confirm this by looking at your HTML output.


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Yeah, it leads me to an idea to alter a few more things.   I installed firebug into safari, as it seems the latest version of safari did away with 'view page source'.   Seems to be working good, thanks again.

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