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Can someone show me their site using Catalogues as web forms.
I have set a few up, but there is something im just missing and cant seem to figure it out.

I have used APPNITROs MACHFORMS and they are awesome.  I just wondering how well the forms as catalogues work in OC portal as web forms.
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anyone ??
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Greetings,

I am not sure excatly what you are looking for here, however maybe my example will be helpful?

I use the catalogue system on my site for character profiles. You see, my site is an online post-to-play rp site, and instead of having people post their profiles and likely not following the form I created, I instead used the Catalogue system. I created with it a form that asks for all the basics, you know, name, race, gender, age, description, personality, and brief history. The small fields I used text box while the large fields I used text area.

You can see an example on my site, just follow my signature link and look at the profiles already done. Unfortunately only a member can add a profile (permission that I set up).

Anyways, again I am not sure what you are looking for or if this will help at all. It might be helpful to know what you are trying to do and then I could gladly offer some suggestions.

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Im looking for a webform, like an application.
Here is a site as an example.

Job Application
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Hmm.. I am not sure if the catalogue would work for this but I can't see why it wouldn't without some tweaking involved. Perhaps someone like Chris would be able to answer this better? However as far as I can tell, the catalogue system is itself just an online database system, usually for the storage and viewing of online submitted forms (ie roster lists, membership databases, or in my use, character profiles).

I think though that if you do these steps you could have something very similar to a job application….

1.) make it so that while everyone can submit and fill out a form, only you (or specialized group) can view the form page and read them. You can do this through the very through permission tree, or as a page only permission I think.

2.) Set it so that you or special group gets emails each time a form is filled out and submitted. These emails typically will link you to the form, plus I think you can have it actually show the info. I am not 100% sure on that since I don't have email notifications enabled on mine.

3.) create your form as you would a job application. Now this is probably the part that might not sit well with you, but without some real dedicated fancy site page work to create your own page and some how call up the forms for each editable form, you will have a one line per item form. Depending upon all of the information you are trying to collect, this could indeed be a very large form, but *sighs* I myself don't know of any other way around it.

And well that is it. That is the best way I can think of that would give you something you are looking for using the catalogue system. Now, I understand it is not a perfect solution for what you seem to be looking for, but hopefully it is close enough and something you can work with.

On a further note, if you know how to make forms you could always create a page and create your own form. The catalogue system from my view point is simply a good tool for us who don't know much programing to create simple online databases.

And again, I must assert that I am no expert. My needs do not at all relate to your needs as demonstrated by our totally different wants of the system. I do hope that someone much more knowledgeable in this area will be able to help you better, but please do understand, this is a small community and many here have not only real life but also their own sites, and Chris, bless his soul has this wonderful CMS+portal+Ultimate Site and Community Collaborative Building Tool to maintain. So yeah, as you already observed, it may be slow at times to get a response.

I am sorry that I couldn't be of more help. I do hope that this all helps in some way until at least someone more knowledgeable can assist further. And I do wish you the best of luck on your endeavors!


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Im really trying to find a way to make OC portal replace my current Drupal site.

It says in the documentation to use catalogs as a webforms, but I cant seem to get it to function as such and cant find any good examples either.

I have been staging a site with what our current site does, and have gotten a bid from OC portal to custom code for us those things that dont.

As a small business in this current economy, its difficult to find they $$$ to make it happen.  I want to make 100 % sure it can do it before we start our project.

Its a little frustrating as I thought there was more users with OC portal active in their forums that offer help and guidance.  I have posted several times with posts going weeks and weeks without any response.
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*nods* yes I understand how that can be frustrating, especially when you want to get your site going. I am surprised that it did take so long for anyone to respond, and it leaves me thinking that the people who could best help you assume from your title that you are only looking for already in use examples and not actual help with the matter. Then again I could be completely wrong here lol.

I am sorry that I can't be of any real help here. I do believe it is possible to achieve what you are looking for, but I just don't know how exactly, since it is not something I have tried or had a need for.

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Don't forget that some "help" will fall into paid support for the staff, so if don't get a response, don't think that you're being ignored. Just hang tight and hopefully someone who reads will have a good response.

(But don't expect all posts to be responded all the time.)

Good luck, however. Hope you get your webforms to work how you want them.

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Im just trying to find examples of how these things work, before my company invests money.  We see the software as really working well for about 85 % of what we need.  I just wanted to see some real world examples of it , before we spend the money.

Im sure they cant get it to work , once I pay them..
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Hi,

Could you drop Steve a mail at steven@ocproducts.com, and I'll make sure he gets back to you tomorrow.


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Hi,

Steve didn't get an email today so I'll try and explain how it works here. I believe it's our FAQ that mentions how we recommend catalogues for the form-builder scenario, or maybe Steve mentioned it to you. This scenario is when you need to take structured input from people, rather than a simple e-mail-style subject+message.
There are actually 3 ways to achieve it in ocPortal:
  1. Via catalogues. Here you add a catalogue, and direct people to submit to it by putting a submission link (for example) on a page. I'm not aware of anyone doing this which is probably why no-one has replied, but we have designed it to work. To do it well it needs setting up some custom language strings, so instead of saying 'Add a whatever entry' in the title/submit-button, it says something like 'Enter details for your whatever request'. There's another trick involved, and that is you set the permissions so member submissions are not validated; this means users can't view other users messages, and also 'this needs validating' messages are sent out to the staff (which will include a link so they can view the response). To be honest it's a bit of a fudge (as you get the messages via the validation alert email, which is a bit confusing for staff who don't understand what's going on) and requires some set up, but I can promise that if we've recommended or confirmed something with respect to a project we would make sure it does actually work reasonably well and not just leave you hanging. That would mean explaining this in more details for you, or simply setting it up for you (it wouldn't take us more than 10 minutes really – but the problem here is I can't demo it without setting up a site to do so on, and that would take a lot longer) :).
  2. You could also do it via a survey. A survey is really the same as a complex contact-us form, so this would work very well. When a survey is filled in, staff do get emailed the responses.
  3. It is also possible to code in some custom HTML for form fields, and we have a script that can take the form data and send it out in an email. This is a development task, but it's small something we could knock out within an hour.

So I would actually recommend '2' over '1'.

As a general note, I think Steve possibly pointed you towards the forum to get some answers from the community with regard some of the DIY questions you had before you could get a budget for development/support. Generally our staff skip support-related questions here for the reason Eric mentioned and generally the forum is a very informal avenue that our project managers won't actively check (we do our project management by phone/e-mail/Skype). If a paid project is hanging on some simple checking and the forum isn't working you can always get back to us directly and we'll likely prepare a proper answer as long as it is reasonably straight-forward and truly is a precursor to a project rather than just free support.


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I played around with the "quizzes" module (Chris' #2 option).

I wrote up a quick form that would ask for a name, email address, what type of OS they use, and how long they've been using computers…. hence this would be a fill out form.

I'd say give it a test run, signalzero.

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This is a very enlightening post. Thanks to Chris and Eric for these insights on the choices available for ocPortal to create and manage forms. I've used the "quizzes" module but overlooked the value of the survey until now. This is opening up whole new possibilities for my site.:thumbs:
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