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A tale of trials, tribulations, and success against all odds!

Greetings,

Hope this is ok for me to post this here, and yeah, sorry about they cutesy title… but I feel that this new version's release is identical to the release of a blockbuster film… so yeah lol.

Anyways, I would like to discuss my thoughts thus far on this latest and greatest offering of ocPortal, as well ask a few things. Don't worry all-mighty programing gods, I plan to add a few of these things to the tracker as well :P.

1.) The fading screen within the admin zone is cute and all, but is causing some serious loading time issues for me, as well as occasional random "nereid Fade Timers is not defined" errors and randomly working or not working. For example, it now takes anywhere from 15.038 sec to 34.56 (average ranges) to load a page within the admin zone. I am grateful this is not being carried over to the rest of the site, but is there anyway I can simply deactivate this?


2.) I love the template previews. That is extremely helpful with me making the fixes to my theme, which also quite wonderfully have been very minor so far. It is allowing me to easily and quickly preview sections I prrobably never previewed before. I do get the occasional error, such as "YAHOO not defined", and wonder about the standard_box links that are red and unclickable, but over all this is quite a wonderful tool!

3.) The new fancy css editor lags heavily and I get three separate unresponsive script warnings each time I need to work with a css. I haven't yet dived into the templates to see if it carries the same new editor, I sure hope not. What is funny is that the original editor loads first before switching to the new editor, so I stopped the page loading and stopped the script for the new editor to use the original, must faster editor, but I want to make this a permanent fix for my site. How would I do that?

4.) The classy new drop down menus are awesome! Great job there! I will hold off on my earlier posted idea to see how well this works but I can say it takes out an extra click which is key! Funny thing is, it doesn't show up when you are in the screen you get after you save your edits to, for example, the global.css file.

Overall, so far this is proving to be quite the improvement to an already stellar product! It makes me wish you would accept donations. But anyways, here is what I have tested it with thus far for knowledge sake.

Firefox "Namoroka" 3.6.6 on Arch Linux x686
Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100627 Firefox/3.6.6

I haven't yet tested with other browsers, but you can bet that I will!

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I now successfully have my 5.0 RC1 powered site online. The theme edits itself have thusfar been minor, but there are some odd errors in places like the chat room (and other very rarely, if ever, used areas of my site) that I need to check on, but other than that it is running smoothly.

I have to say, I LOVE those slick  css buttons. Any way/plans to replace all ocportal buttons (such as add topic and such) with them? They are perfect!

Anyways, I will soon release an updated version of my Classic Legends theme to run on 5.0 RC1 sites.

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Gonna add my input into this….. crashing the ocP v5 RC1 party!!!

1.) Thank you for the new downloads page. One of the sites I put together with ocPortal relies on downloads. I love the random 20 downloads added to each category.

2.) I have to agree with mythus with the new editor. It is a lag monster for sure before it finally loads…. for me.

3.) Many of the new add-ons are implemented and tested. Think the members are gonna enjoy these.

I know RC versions shouldn't be for LIVE sites, but since the site has been suspended twice for large CPU almost causing the server to crash, I want to try v5 out and see how it goes. The members can be the beta testers and report back errors they see and then I can view them and post here what I cannot fix myself.

Looking forward to how RC2 betters us!

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The fading screen within the admin zone is cute and all, but is causing some serious loading time issues for me, as well as occasional random "nereid Fade Timers is not defined" errors and randomly working or not working. For example, it now takes anywhere from 15.038 sec to 34.56 (average ranges) to load a page within the admin zone. I am grateful this is not being carried over to the rest of the site, but is there anyway I can simply deactivate this?

The fade is just a Javascript effect that shows whilst the browser is waiting for the new page to start downloading. So the real issue will be coming from the page load. A few questions/points…
  1. Do you have the Comcode page and block caches enabled? (this would make sense, as the new navigation is much more complex pre-caching)
  2. Is it happening on specific pages (which?), or all?
  3. I am happy to investigate performance problems, so please open a free ticket with access details if you'd like me to do that.


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occasional random "nereid Fade Timers is not defined" errors

I've put in place a possible fix for this for the next release.


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I do get the occasional error, such as "YAHOO not defined", and wonder about the standard_box links that are red and unclickable

Yeah, work on this has been a surprisingly long development (1000's of lines of code to generate these previews, very time intensive), and there is just a small amount that isn't quite ready. I'm not going to let it hold up the v5 release schedule, so the final 5% or so might come in in 5.0.1 or something.


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I'm surprised about the code editor lagging, that's not something I've seen.

Is:
EditArea - the code editor in a textarea
slow?

Regardless, I'll implement a way to disable it.


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Upload:

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adminzone/pages/modules/admin_themes.php
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In OcCLE then type:

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:set_value('disable_editarea','1');


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Any way/plans to replace all ocportal buttons (such as add topic and such) with them?

Actually, the design goal was to try and match the existing button set as much as possible without actually using images.

Nevertheless, an interesting question and experiment. I was just able to replace thecontents of SCREEN_BUTTON.tpl with:

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<form class="inline" action="{URL*}" method="post"><input name="submit" type="submit" class="button_page" value="{TITLE*}" /></form>


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Greetings, and thanks for your multitude of responses! It is really a solid release, if it's only the smallest things that I am finding in the RC1 release, you can consider it a job well done lol.

Anyways, I am gonna first cover the responses, and then I will take a look at the fixes and such you posted.

The fade is just a Javascript effect that shows whilst the browser is waiting for the new page to start downloading. So the real issue will be coming from the page load. A few questions/points…

   1. Do you have the Comcode page and block caches enabled? (this would make sense, as the new navigation is much more complex pre-caching)
   2. Is it happening on specific pages (which?), or all?
   3. I am happy to investigate performance problems, so please open a free ticket with access details if you'd like me to do that.

1.) Yes, they are all enabled.

2.) Only within the admin zone, this doesn't happen at all within the other areas of the site (the fading that is). It does happen with every page in the admin zone, sometimes sooner sometimes longer. I do acknowledge that my site does have it's occasional loading time delays… and the fading may not be doing anything really extra to that, however it seems to firt load the fading screen then do the loading transition… Plus I have to wonder if loading the extra javascript code, which occasionally instead spits out an error, is causing extra load on an already heavily loaded (no doubt) server…

3.) i'll probably take you up on that. But before I do so, I am checking everything on my end to see if I can save you the extra work :).


I've put in place a possible fix for this for the next release.
 Good to know!

Yeah, work on this has been a surprisingly long development (1000's of lines of code to generate these previews, very time intensive), and there is just a small amount that isn't quite ready. I'm not going to let it hold up the v5 release schedule, so the final 5% or so might come in in 5.0.1 or something.

I suspected as such. Not a problem and I completely agree with that approach.

I'm surprised about the code editor lagging, that's not something I've seen.

Is:
EditArea - the code editor in a textarea
slow?

Regardless, I'll implement a way to disable it.

Aye that is the editor in question. Basically this is what happens…

1.) I click on, say, global.css.

2.) The traditonal/original editor loads up first, pretty quickly, and shows for maybe 1/2 of a second.

3.) I get a quick screen fade.

4.) I see the first parts of the new editor, screen freezes.

5.) Error box 1 pops up about a script not running or whatever, do I want to stop said script or wait. I say wait.

6.) More of the editor appears, screen still frozen.

7.) 2nd error box, says same thing. I say wait.

8.) The rest of the editor appears, screen is still frozen.

9.) Despite that everything is loaded, I get error box #3, which says the same thing. I click on wait and can finally use the editor!

I will try your loaded fix for that. It is interesting to note though that the editor is the same editor used in cpanel to edit files in cpanel's file manager, and I have no loading issues there… Odd I think…

Actually, the design goal was to try and match the existing button set as much as possible without actually using images.

Nevertheless, an interesting question and experiment. I was just able to replace the contents of SCREEN_BUTTON.tpl with:

I am definetely gonna try that out. I don't know if you have seen my site or not, but those CSS buttons fit in so well that they are perfect! It's like divine design. So if I can have all the buttons done like that, that would fit the site so well and negate me having to craft a lot of different buttons and trying to make them match.





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Greetings,

Two big wonderful news things to report!

1.) That button code works wonderful! Just take a look if you want, it is SWEET!

2.) I went through the database and checked and optimized all of the tables, which made a HUGE difference in performance. The fade screen delay, a thing in the past. Heck the new editor pops up within the blink of an eye, with no errors given! Awesomeness.

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The screen-fade issue continues in version 5.0.0.

I have been forced to disable the editor via OcCLE. Hope a fix is in the works …

Take my advice. I'm not using it!

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This isn't our code running here (third party component), but I did some optimisation on it. This should improve things a lot.

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Ermmmm …, nope. Didn't fix the issue. I am back to disabling the editor via OcCLE.

If it works, I will upload a screencap vid of the issue - in REAL-TIME.

Media


Haven't lost my sense of humour - yet!

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Hmm, okay, that's actually different to what I saw on mine. For mine it took about 5 seconds to load, but it loaded all in one go. The fix got it down to 2 seconds. Is this on Firefox, and what version? Thanks.


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Yes, Firefox version 3.6.8.

Installed today, but it happened in the previous version as well.


edit: Win7 Ultimate 64-bit, 6GB of RAM, core i7. The only FF add-on is Firebug. Can't think of any local reason for this delay. All other scripts 'n' stuff run normally.

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Hi

I tested this on one of our Windows machines and it reacted like my Mac did in terms of performance - about 2 seconds to load from the plain textarea to the full editor. I did however see the in-between state you saw on the Firefox.

I think it may be your Firefox has the old js file cached on your computer still. It can do that kind of thing.

The PC I tested on is not particularly great, and it's running Vista, so you'd expect it to behave poorly. Your system will be far more powerful, so either it's the browser cache, or something very odd.


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OK Chris, I'll take it for a run in my other browsers, even IE, and see if I get similar results.

Will get back to you on this, especially if somebody else is following the thread with a similar issue and hasn't chipped in as yet.

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*bump*

Yup, looks like a FF issue.

Loads OK in IE, and absolutely 'flies' in Opera and Chrome.

Back to a complete reinstall of Firefox next. Wonders will never cease … !!

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Just to add my bit of data on this issue, the screen-fade is fairly quick with my Firefox and the editor fade take about 2 to 4 secs.
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