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Looking at it from a user's point of view

I have now been roaming around ocportal for a week or more and have taken the plunge and registered. So, obviously I have faith in the product.
However, I have some serious doubts about the user-interface, especially for CEDI pages.
The tutorial is useless, as it simply describes what CEDI may be used for.
But confusion really kicks-in as soon as you click on the CEDI link in "Content Management". You are presented with a sparse page that bluntly says edit Cedi page! Absolutely no on-screen help whatsoever and nothing explaining how you go about adding a new page. Not even a link to the "tree-editing page" but more about that later.
I acknowledge that the tutorial does mention the two distinct areas for editing and creating content for a CEDI. But  none of my potential users will have read it, because they're not visiting my site expecting to go on an IT course.The contributors to my CEDI want to contribute and I don't want to have to spend time explaining why they have to do one thing over here and another thing over there.

Why not have access to all CEDI editing functions from both the screen in the Content Management Zone and the main CEDI page?

Also the instructions on the CEDI edit tree page are not very clear and under IE7 an error icon shows up when you try to use the ID assistance tool.

By the way, I've been involved in software localisation for over twenty-years and on the whole you've done a good job with the documentation. I have come across far worse.
Phew! Glad I got that off my chest:)
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I've had a look at this, and you're right - it is very confusing. This is an oversight on our part really - the Edit Page list in the CMS is new with version 3, and isn't actually anything to do with regular maintenance. It didn't occur to us that this wasn't obvious.

I'm adding some extra information to the tutorial...


The full CEDI structure and content may be manipulated from the view pages of CEDI itself. Pages are created on an adhoc basis, by either referencing them in the child-list for a page (available under the 'Edit Tree' button), or by referencing them via the special Comcode syntax (pagename ).
The 'Edit CEDI page' selection list in the Content Management zone may be used to find/select pages which have been orphaned from the CEDI hierarchy.
In a typical set-up, staff are given access to modify the CEDI tree, whilst ordinary users relay on the Comcode tag to create new inline links. Whether ordinary users are given access to add new pages often varies substantially between sites, depending heavily on what role CEDI is being used for.


I'll now see how the edit-tree screen performs on IE 7 and make any fixes as required. (EDIT: confirmed and fixed )

Please continue to report usability problems you find, as it's likely we haven't been made aware of them.


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Chris,
I think it would help if you had more "How to" sections in your tutorials.

For example, I have been trying to build a cedi and been totally confused using the tree builder. I added a page as instructed hit "edit page" and then went back to the view pages clicked on the new page only to be told it doesn't exist!

Could you not write a simple "do this…then do this" tutorial. I think we all understand that ocportal can be customised, but it's the simple things that are missing.
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The above post is from me, I forgot to log-in  :$
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More problems with this interface :dry:
Once I have added a page via the tree and return to the view-page I see it under Child Pages as : Title (empty).
Clicking on the Title gives me a 404 Not Found -  :(
Now, if I go back to the cms even more interesting things happen  :dry: .
I can edit my new page but once I save it I get taken back to the view-page area where I can view the edited page. Fine, but then when I click to return to the cedi root (top-right hand corner) I get "An error ocurred and the requested page gave no output". :|
Methinks you should disable cedi and return to the drawing board, so to speak. There is no way I can use this feature in its present state.
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Hello,

There are two bugs here that only happen when short-URLs are enabled:
ocPortal - Entry: CEDI malfunctions with short-URLs

ocPortal does get well tested, but we unfortunately can't feasibly test all the different option configurations across all the different features.


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Yep thats what users like me are for finding bugs. hehe.  :lol:

I run http://otakuplayground.com and am hopping to make themes and other things for ocportal even though I no longer use it for otakuplayground.com I still love it and feel it could go far with the right help. It needs themes and needs people to advertise for it.
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Chris, I well understand that but I am finding this particular module challenging, to say the least. I am trying to set up an encyclopaedia but do not seem to be able to get beyond creating the first page.
Each time I create a new page it is impossible to add any content to it as I am told that it does not exist.
In addition the formatting occasionally goes haywire on the first-page and the html mark-up is displayed.
I would be grateful if anyone who has actually created a cedi could let me know how they did it.
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If you attach some screenshots illustrating your process, I'm sure we can help you along – in fact, we'd be happy to.

It should be a relatively simple process of:
  • viewing a page (the root page, or browsing to an existing page if you have others set up)
  • clicking 'Edit Tree'
  • typing in some titles (each on a new line) for each new page you'd like underneath the page you were viewing
  • clicking the button to save
  • clicking on one of the new titles that should have now appeared
  • editing the page to set a description for it
  • and repeating various steps until it's all done

I'm not sure about this "does not exist" problem. If you can attach a screenshot though then I'm sure we can help you.


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Once more unto the breach....

Hi Chris,

Please find attached two screen shots. Number 1 shows the cedi tree and number two the error message once I click on the Architecture link.

I am using IE7.

 

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Thanks Chris,
There may be third bug or then (more likely) I'm getting the wrong end of the stick.
Once I have created a new page in the tree I still cannot edit the new page when I click on it. All I get is a "The requested page gave no output" error message. Even though I have edited the page from the content zone.
Am I missing a step?
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What's the URL when you get the no output message?


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http://mydomain/ocportal/site/pg/s/1/15

But when I edit the page via the content zone the URL is http://mydoamin/ocportal/cms/pg/cms_cedi/edit_page
 :) By the way, no rush on this. :)
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I'm really confused I'm afraid.

This URL is a CEDI-page-view URL, but you have a problem editing, and thus the URL where the problem occurs must be a CEDI-page-edit URL (unless the problem is that you can't even view the CEDI-page).

Is http://mydomain/ocportal/site/pg/s/1/15 the URL where the actual "The requested page gave no output" error message is shown? This is what we need to know, not the URL before you reached that error message.


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CEDI cross linking

Ok.  So how do you hyperlink between pages in the CEDI?  I REALLY want to use it so that the site is nice and smooth and I really like how it can be navigated like an outline.  That being said I haven't been able to figure out how to set up hyper-link OR how to actually search amongst the entries.  When I use the side search function it doesn't search the CEDI and when I use the CEDI specific search it tells me it doesn't exist. 

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 Does <a href="/site/pg/cedi/misc/1"> </a> work? If you substitute "1" with the corresponding number of the CEDI post you are aiming for.
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The best way to do it is to use the following syntax:

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[[pagenamehere]]

This will create a link to the "pagenamehere" CEDI page.

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OK I tried the syntax here and it makes a link but all I get in my CEDI is brackets around the words rather than a link. 

The syntax works fine in my Forum I found out just now but like I said, I doesn't work to link between CEDI posts.

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Hi,

I've tested a few things out and can't find a problem. Perhaps this is IE-mac being a pain again – please try disabling WYSIWYG/using-Safari.


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