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How to create subcategories in catalogue?

Hi, Chris, gang:

Well, after lurking around here spasmodically for the last 3-4 years, I finally decided to upload the latest stable release in a sub-dir on one of my sites that I'm dying to upgrade, and I'm playing around with OCP to replace the original, custom-written content. The site has user-provided reviews. So…first, I'm creating a catalogue for the reviewed items (like cars, with each record being a type of car), and intended (I thought!) to use categories for the Manufacturer and Line (e.g., Toyota Lexus, respectively). I created the category (toyota) without problem…but how do I create the Lexus SUB-category? I read the tutorial; I read the FAQ's; I searched the forum, and zip zein zilch nada. How do I do this? Lacking direction, I thought if I "entered" the category and then created a category, it would create a subcategory, but that didn't work. So, help, anyone?

Stupid Question Dos: In my test catalogue, I selected a field type of a list ("a value chosen from a list"). However, nothing I can find tells me how to populate that list so that entries thereupon can be selected. Again, nothing in the tutorial, and I didn't find anything in the FAQ's or other documentation. Anybody know?

Ooops, Stupid Question Tres: (This one may belong elsewhere than the SQV): Given the rather endless fungibility of OCP, can anyone give me a quick-n-dirty answer as to how, if I create a catalogue of cars, my users can write reviews for those individual cars? IOW, what "links" the reviews to the catalogue entries? Is there a tutorial I can read on this?

Oh, BTW, Chris: I hate to say this, but your flaming "OCP Rocks" kinda looks like "OCD Rocks," which I agree would be a mighty attribute for a programmer or webmaster, but I'm not sure that's what you actually meant to say? :o (for anyone here who doesn't have English as a cradle language, that's a commonly used acronym for Obsessive Compulsive Disorder :-) )

Thanks, gang,

HitchI give up, the damned WYSIWYG editor isn't freaking working. Why am I having this problem? The "Chipster's" posts seem to be coming out all right; for some reason, I had to toggle the HTML and work on it from there, in order to effect breaks and/or paragraphs.


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Hi,

When you made your catalogue, did you set it as a tree catalogue? This is needed for sub(sub(sub…))-category support.

For lists, you must have (easy mistake to make) scanned over this bit of the tutorial:
Fields may be given default values. Sometimes these have special meanings:
  • list - The values in the list, separated by '|'


Ooops, Stupid Question Tres: (This one may belong elsewhere than the SQV): Given the rather endless fungibility of OCP, can anyone give me a quick-n-dirty answer as to how, if I create a catalogue of cars, my users can write reviews for those individual cars? IOW, what "links" the reviews to the catalogue entries? Is there a tutorial I can read on this?

Not so stupid, there isn't really a feature for this quite as you describe. Users could make their reviews by commenting on the entries though.
There are various tricks you could probably do using templates, or by coding in your own links separately for each catalogue entry.

but I'm not sure that's what you actually meant to say?

We'll blame Allen :lol:.

I give up, the damned WYSIWYG editor isn't freaking working. Why am I having this problem? The "Chipster's" posts seem to be coming out all right; for some reason, I had to toggle the HTML and work on it from there, in order to effect breaks and/or paragraphs.

Ah, sorry - I'll look into this.


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I've fixed the editor (problems in 4.2, for IE users) :).


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Hi,

When you made your catalogue, did you set it as a tree catalogue? This is needed for sub(sub(sub…))-category support.

Duhr. Well, back to the drawing board. Fortunately, as this is a beta-test, I'll just recreate the catalogue.

For lists, you must have (easy mistake to make) scanned over this bit of the tutorial:
Fields may be given default values. Sometimes these have special meanings:
  • list - The values in the list, separated by '|'

Not to mention, it uses that as an example right in the instructions for the default value. Easy, once you see it. Another DUHR.

(snippage for brevity) can anyone give me a quick-n-dirty answer as to how, if I create a catalogue of cars, my users can write reviews for those individual cars? IOW, what "links" the reviews to the catalogue entries? Is there a tutorial I can read on this?

Not so stupid, there isn't really a feature for this quite as you describe. Users could make their reviews by commenting on the entries though.
There are various tricks you could probably do using templates, or by coding in your own links separately for each catalogue entry.

Well…this is a bit more problematic. Commenting won't work, I don't think, as I need a way to sum up ratings (for averages), e.g., 20 reviews at 4 starts plus 5 reviews at 5 stars = 4.2 average stars, and a way to calculate most popular item, etc. etc. I thought of commenting, but unless it works differently than I understand (a VAST possibility in OCP), I don't think it's viable. This ought to be easier, I mean, user-contributed content on specific topics is pretty common, and keying something to a specific database entry is Database 101. The question becomes, methinks, how to link a specific content entry (and I'm not sure what form that content takes) to a specific catalogue entry. C'mon, OCP'ers, one of you dudes out there must hae done something similar?



We'll blame Allen :lol:.
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I give up, the damned WYSIWYG editor isn't freaking working

Ah, sorry - I'll look into this.

Yeah, FYI, now when I hit "quote" to reply, I'm getting the quick reply box…I can't remember if this is the way it's supposed to function? I thought the "quote" reply popped up the WYSIWYG editor, or am I merely going senile? When I tried to preview this, I got a page full of errors, which I did not copy, Chris, because I copied the replied post to the clipboard instead so I wouldn't lose it. - Hitch

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We'll blame Allen :lol:.
Indeedy!

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Allen said

Hitch said

We'll blame Allen :lol:.
Indeedy!

Thanks :lol:

Hold ctrl+alt+shift and click refresh – I've made the 'P' slightly taller ;)

Definitely more ocP than ocd.  Super!

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Greetings,

Maybe I don't understand what you are wanting to do very well but it sounds like you want to set up a listing of cars and have members review them…

I wonder, have you considered making CEDI pages for them? With CEDI you can make the whole cat/sub cat idea and members can make CEDI posts to each area you have set up to do their review. It may or may not give everything you want without some additions of your own (i.e. you may find yourself making a voting feature or whatever)… but I think it might give you more of what you are after than catalogues. To me cataloguies are great for making forms and what not, but CEDI pages are great for wikis and info pages, and should fit the bill nicely for your auto reviews.

For example, you could set up a CEDI cat for Ford. Then Have in that CEDI page a tree taking to each type of Ford with their own CEDI pages. Now your members will be able to say make review posts for the fords in general and on each page make review posts.

Just a thought though….

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Greetings,

Maybe I don't understand what you are wanting to do very well but it sounds like you want to set up a listing of cars and have members review them…

More or less.  I picked cars as an example because everyone is familiar with them; I needed something as an exemplar that had brands and lines, or categories and sub-categories, essentially.  

I wonder, have you considered making CEDI pages for them? With CEDI you can make the whole cat/sub cat idea and members can make CEDI posts to each area you have set up to do their review. It may or may not give everything you want without some additions of your own (i.e. you may find yourself making a voting feature or whatever)… but I think it might give you more of what you are after than catalogues. To me cataloguies are great for making forms and what not, but CEDI pages are great for wikis and info pages, and should fit the bill nicely for your auto reviews.

It's certainly a better idea than anything I have going now.  The "news" feature actually works very much like I would like the review feature to work - category & second category, with a content container that is free-form text, essentially…but I'll investigate the CEDI.  I hadn't considered it due to the free-form nature of wikis, which seem daunting to a lot of people.  My users aren't very tech-savvy;  they are, overall, techno-trogs.  I have found that the user-interface concept of "Don't Make Me Think" works best.  I appreciate your insight into the usage.  

For example, you could set up a CEDI cat for Ford. Then Have in that CEDI page a tree taking to each type of Ford with their own CEDI pages. Now your members will be able to say make review posts for the fords in general and on each page make review posts.

Just a thought though….

Thanks.  I'll have to contemplate how to set up ratings systems and "voting," or something along those lines.  It's a different structure than that which I have used before (and am using), but that doesn't mean it wouldn't work.  I guess I'm still just a bit off-kilter at the idea that I can't link dynamic content containers to the catalogue items other than comments…without majorly restructuring the comments mechanism, that is.  My hang-up seems to be that I need structured data addition/inclusion for what we would call "categories," i.e., the make & model of car - like information on engine size, fuel efficiency, turbo-charging, whatever - which is really idea for catalogues/databases…but then I need a semi-structured text box for the reviews.  Arrrggghhh.  I will look at the wiki and see if I can come up with something.  

Thanks, Mythus!

P.S. - anyone else  having difficulty getting the forums search function to work AT ALL?  I've even tried using terms that I know are currently used in the forum and am getting "no results" returned.  I've tried every combo of searching I can think of (I stumbled across this when I was trying to find any information whatsoever on IP banning, and couldn't find a thing - I have it now, via another method, but it is frustrating that I can't get the forum search to work…and have NO idea how to search the entire site, which seems beyond my meager abilities.)  AND, I still can't access the WYSIWYG forum reply, FWIW, unless I go to "more options" after trying a "quote" reply - is this new in 4.2?  IOW, is this deliberate?  - Hitch


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Well…this is a bit more problematic. Commenting won't work, I don't think, as I need a way to sum up ratings (for averages), e.g., 20 reviews at 4 starts plus 5 reviews at 5 stars = 4.2 average stars

There's rating too, just it's separate from comments.

There isn't any "most popular" item code currently. I'm not sure if you're working on a commercial site with some budget - if you are we could implement such a thing for you.

Yeah, FYI, now when I hit "quote" to reply, I'm getting the quick reply box…I can't remember if this is the way it's supposed to function? I thought the "quote" reply popped up the WYSIWYG editor, or am I merely going senile?

We changed it to go to quick reply since v4.

When I tried to preview this, I got a page full of errors

Not sure what that is. Just tried using IE7 and previewing the post, with the WYSIWYG editor on, under your username, and that worked. If it keeps happening I'd appreciate it if you could take a screenshot or something and I'll investigate some more :).

I've tried every combo of searching I can think of

A common problem is that the search does a 60 day search by default. If you want a wider search you need to expand the options and choose something else.

and have NO idea how to search the entire site, which seems beyond my meager abilities

If you want to search the documentation you'll see if you click the IE7 search dropdown (the one built into the browser) that you can add a search engine for our site onto the list.


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Well, in attempting to investigate the IE7 search box, I managed to lose the entire post I was working on. I'm not cheery, I admit it, so if I sound cranky, ignore that part.

First: do I understand correctly that if I select "reply" to a thread, I get the whole schmear, the WYSIWYG and all the goodies, but if I hit "quote," all I get is the quick-reply? Guys, that is utterly counter-intuitive to me and virtually every other forum product on the market. It seems to me that if someone is going to go through the trouble to quote, they are going to want the other toys in the box. I think you over- or under-thought this one, JMHO.

There isn't any "most popular" item code currently. I'm not sure if you're working on a commercial site with some budget - if you are we could implement such a thing for you.

If I can get the reviews portion to work, using the wiki (CEDI), I'll go for this. I need to make the meat workable before I worry about the gravy. Also, Chris, don't forget, I have another proposal from you (for a different site of mine) that I need to implement first (nested news sub-cats).

I don't know what is up with the spastic previewing, it seems resolved now since you made that last fix to the WYSIWYG editor, but if it happens again, I'll screenshot it.

A common problem is that the search does a 60 day search by default. If you want a wider search you need to expand the options and choose something else.

Boy, I don't remember seeing any other options greater than 60 days….I'll go check it out and report back - for which I know you are waiting breathlessly.

If you want to search the documentation you'll see if you click the IE7 search dropdown (the one built into the browser) that you can add a search engine for our site onto the list.

Is that actually documented somewhere? I never would have thought of it, and I know my users ABSOFREAKINGLUTELY will not. I like the idea if I can figure out how to make it super-technotrog-user friendly. BTW, I have not figured out how to make it work, FWIW; I don't see any search engine for your site on my search tool drop-down.

P.P.S. - the pink highlighting of quoted material is cute, but, MAN, it seems to slow down the keying buffer to a snail's pace!!!

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I'm going to try this AGAIN, I feel flummoxed and stupid, what am I missing?



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I give up. I just GIVE UP. Now I can't get a jpg screenshot to attach here, I've tried it twice, but I don't get bupkus for a search option in my IE7 search drop-down tool.

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The browser-integrated search thing was mainly done just for this site. It's still possible to have a search block, or to link to the search page. We've got a search block on this site, on the tutorial index.

If you go and view a tutorial, then click the downward arrow in the far top-right of the browser, you'll see an "add search providers" sub menu and within this "ocPortal.com docs" (ignore the ocPortal.com docs on the top level of this menu, it doesn't seem to do anything). When you click "ocPortal.com docs" you get a box with a button "Add provider" which you should click. If you go back to the search dropdown, "ocPortal.com" is now available for selection. If you select that, searches will then be done on our site.


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Hi, Sorry, did all that, but here's what I get (n.b. - I can't preview the image when I select "thumbnail", so I keep saving these posts without knowing if the image is coming through). Okay, I added the OCP search to my browser, and tried a variety of searches in the documentation for the term "IP." Nothing, and I mean NOTHING, works, if you do get to see this screenshot, you'll see all I get is bupkus. Anyone have any enlightenment for me as to what I'm doing wrong?Okay, now I'm getting errors trying to post this, which, ironically, I'm trying to screenshot, which I probably won't be able to attach for you to see. I'll try - any suggestions on how I can get this screenshot of the errors to you when the attachment mechanism is the problem?????


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You can e-mail me files to me at chris@ocportal.com.

Obviously you're getting a number of problems which must be very frustrating. You're one of few users here using IE which means that your problems haven't been reported yet – but I'll investigate it all for you.


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THANKS!!  Emailed various screenshots.

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I'd just like to comment about the Quoting = Quick Reply function…

1.) Very few forum solutions offer WYSIWYG editors… WHile this is starting to become popular nowadays with SMF 2 and some others starting to implement this, many still don't and thus use BBCode (which comcode is a much much more powerful version of you could say). So while quoting would take you to the full reply box in other forum software, the full reply box doesn't really give more function than the quick reply box. In face I believe that the quick reply box is quicker to work with in most forums. However I do agree that quoting should go to full reply or at the most be configurable by the admin.

2.) When you do quote and it takes you to the quick reply, you can click on the More Options to get it transfered to the full reply box (BTW- I really think the More Options label is misleading…  I'd suggest renaming it to something like Full Editor.. More Options makes me thing it would show a box with more options or whatever) It might not be the perfect solution, but hey, it works.. at least for me…

3.) Not everyone can use the WYSIWYG editor. I would even suggest against using it if you are having trouble with it. IE has a nasty habit of not working well with certain things. I can tell you that the WYSIWYG editor works beautifully in Firefox though if you must have it. However if you are like me and have a browser you love to use but doesn't work well with WYSIWYG editors, you may want to use the regular comcode editor page. You see, I use Konqueror which uses the KHTML engine and the WYSIWYG editor wont even turn on for me. Many use Safari, Chrome, Auroa, Midori, etc.. which use Webkit, which is a modified KHTML rendering engine and that WYSIWYG editor won't work for them either. The point of this is to show that there are ocPortal users that can't even think about using the WYSIWYG editor, so maybe just maybe you'd have a more enjoyable time using the basic and traditional comcode page?

Of course this may not be an ideal situation for you. Using the WYSIWYG editor is nice if it works. But maybe it will allow you to use your site productively while Chris is looking into what is causing you problems on your browser of choice? Just a thought… and hope it helps some…
 

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Hi, Mythus:

 1.) Very few forum solutions offer WYSIWYG editors… WHile this is starting to become popular nowadays with SMF 2 and some others starting to implement this, many still don't and thus use BBCode

Ummm, not sure I really agree with this; however, I should have been clearer, and simply said WYSIWYG and/or BBC. All the "big kids" have something along those lines, whether it's BBC or WYSIWYG: IPB, VBull, SMF, PHPBB, etc. I suspect from your sig that your site has a more male clientele, but sites with chicks and chicklets heart heart heart their ability to add smilies, bold, italic, etc etc ad nauseum. And girls talk and talk and talk. My point was - and I stick by this - the idea that the quoted reply is more-or-less plain text (add your own codes) while the "reply" is full-tilt-boogie is counterintuitive; after all, using the quote mechanism IS a BBC/WYSIWYG function. See what I mean?

I know you can choose "More Options," and I concur that it's not as clearly named as it could be. I second your motion to rename it something like "Full Editor" or "WYSIWYG Editor" or hell, even "Desperate Formatters."

Onto your third point: firstly, my problem is more about my users than myself; if I can't manage the OCForums with IE, my users are utterly screwed. Say what you will, but the AVERAGE web surfer is still using IE, so it's something that those of us designing for the end user have to deal with…so I use it so that I know what they are seeing or not seeing, or what's working or what isn't. Sure, Firefox would be GREAT, but I wouldn't learn much about the bugs if I used it. WRT the Comcode - yikes, I can barely speaka da comcode!!! Last time I tried it I had to completely delete the post, it was gibberish. Plus, again, that doesn't really help the end-user-usability of the product. :-)

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Greetings,

70% of my membership is female :P

I wonder, have you seen the traditonal comcode editor in a post reply? comcode is bbcode x100 really. In the editor using comcode interface instead of the WYSIWYG interface (which is what happens when you click on the Disable WYSIWYG) you will see the BBCode editor boxes with the smilies and whatnot, just as in most forum software. No code learning needed.

WYSIWYG is different than BBCode/Comcode/ Traditional editor boxes IMO. Which is why I stated as I did for my first observation.

And yes I agree, majority of the people who surf the net use IE. Thus it would be ideal for that issue to be resolved. However I may be wrong, but I think you can change in the back end to disable the WYSIWYG editor for the traditional editor? I haven't checked this nor gotten any complaints about the WYSIWYG editor so I wouldn't know.

And BTW- i did say that I agree with you about the Quote going to quick reply, stating I felt it should go to a full reply or at least where it goes be configurable…

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Hitch said

… Say what you will, but the AVERAGE web surfer is still using IE, so it's something that those of us designing for the end user have to deal with…

Amen!

mythus said

And yes I agree, majority of the people who surf the net use IE.

Amen, again!

Developers can rail against M$ all they want, but the fact of the matter is that, like Hitch and mythus above have stated, the majority of users fall back on the browser that comes out of the box. And in the case of PC users that is always going to be IE.

I think there is a case for developers to build using IE as the primary browser and double-check on FF. With the advent of the fully standards-compliant IE8 (OK, OK, don't choke on your cup of java) then designing for the 'quirky' issues should be a thing of the past.

Well, OK, that's not really true, because there are people out there still using IE6, and even I find that pretty indefensible!

Take my advice. I'm not using it!

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mythus said

Greetings,

70% of my membership is female :P

Well, there you go, generalizations and stereotyping are evil.

mythus said

I wonder, have you seen the traditonal comcode editor in a post reply? comcode is bbcode x100 really. In the editor using comcode interface instead of the WYSIWYG interface (which is what happens when you click on the Disable WYSIWYG) you will see the BBCode editor boxes with the smilies and whatnot, just as in most forum software. No code learning needed.

Couldn't tell ya. I can't seem to figure it out easily. FWIW, when I use the WYSIWYG editor, (no matter how I get there), I have problems. First, I get this weird pink highlighting which I believe is intended to identify the quoted material. But it highlights MY entries/keying as well, and the entire process slows down to a serious crawl, as if the keyboarding buffer is full (best way to describe the effect). I've tried - I think - the Comcode editor in this last few weeks and had some pretty big problems with it, as well.  As I was typing this, right HERE in this post, I switched to the Comcode editor, and it sped right up, which is nice, and it's highly usable for me, as BBC is practically my second language, BUT, again, that's not the case for most of my users.  

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WYSIWYG is different than BBCode/Comcode/ Traditional editor boxes IMO. Which is why I stated as I did for my first observation.

I don't completely disagree.

mythus said

And yes I agree, majority of the people who surf the net use IE. Thus it would be ideal for that issue to be resolved. However I may be wrong, but I think you can change in the back end to disable the WYSIWYG editor for the traditional editor? I haven't checked this nor gotten any complaints about the WYSIWYG editor so I wouldn't know.

And BTW- i did say that I agree with you about the Quote going to quick reply, stating I felt it should go to a full reply or at least where it goes be configurableā€¦

Would be nice for the issues to be resolved, although it's not 100% clear to me if the issues here, in THIS forum, are replicated in the current release or if they are 4.2 beta issues.  My experimentation with the OCP test site I'm running will hopefully make that clear to me.  -

this was intended to be the end of the post, BUT……


FYI:  I tried to post this post in precisely the following sequence, UNSUCCESSFULLY:

  • Clicked "quote" to reply;
  • started to enter the  post in WYSIWYG;
  • Disabled WYSIWYG editing;
  • Finished the post;
  • attempted to preview it;
  • Preview was not performed, got "error on page;"
  • attempted to "convert to Comcode-XML," since nothing else was working;
(forgot to add in "list" that when I tried this I got the error message "You cannot convert to comcode XML whilst the WYSIWYG editor is enabled," except, of course, it wasn't;
  • in desperation, cut-and-pasted the text elsewhere, and,
  • gave up and started over, now using the "reply" selection, and
  • pasted the previously saved text back in here.

So, not to be pissy, but methinks this forum needs a skosh more work, maybe it's an IE thing, but I just keep banging up against various weirdnesses here.  I have NO idea what this post is going to look like, half of it was done WYSIWYG, half in Comcode, back to WYSIWYG, and…cr*p, it's VERY frustrating and a little worrying.  

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