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Critical error – bailing out

This is an error that has been elevated to critical error status because it occurred during the primary error mechanism reporting system itself (possibly due to it occuring within the standard output framework). It may be masking a secondary error that occurred before this, but was never output - if so, it is likely strongly related to this one, thus fixing this will fix the other.
A page (quotes) was referenced that does not exist

Details here are intended only for the website/system-administrator, not for regular website users.
» If you are a regular website user, please let the website staff deal with this problem.

Depending on the error, and only if the website installation finished, you may need to edit the installation options (the info.php file).

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This is a after upgrade 8.0.1
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How did you upgrade? Did you manually extract the TAR (if so I'll understand why it happened)?

It sounds like only part of the random_quotes addon is installed. I could say how to fix that, but if you manually extracted rather than using the proper upgrader, you might have many more problems than that.


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Yes manual, 1st tryed auto in updaterer.php but it died and could not get to the site, so did a manual install.
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The integrity checker in the upgrader might give you some hints about what:
  • Files you have, when there's no addon present
  • Files you do not have, when there is an addon present

The upgrader shouldn't die - it's designed to autorefresh until it finishes, so timeouts, etc, should not hurt it, and you can just refresh the browser if you need to.


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ocPortal upgrader

This is the ocPortal upgrade tool. This tool is a part of ocPortal, but it is intentionally kept lightweight to keep it working even if ocPortal is partly broken.


These files are actually missing and need uploading (you can find them in the manual installer ZIP for the version you're running):

  • themes/default/templates/OCF_LDAP_LIST_ENTRY.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/OCF_LDAP_SYNC_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/ldap.png
  • themes/default/images/pagepics/ldap.png
  • hphp.sh
  • hphp_debug.sh
  • ocp.hdf
  • uploads/filedump/index.html
  • uploads/filedump/.htaccess
  • themes/default/templates/BULK_HELPER_ENTRY.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/BULK_HELPER_RESULTS_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/bulkupload.png
  • themes/default/images/pagepics/bulkuploadassistant.png
  • lang/EN/bulkupload.ini
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/messaging.png
  • themes/default/images/pagepics/messaging.png
  • themes/default/templates/BLOCK_MAIN_CONTACT_SIMPLE.tpl
  • lang/EN/supermembers.ini
  • themes/default/templates/SUPERMEMBERS_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/SUPERMEMBERS_SCREEN_ENTRY.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/SUPERMEMBERS_SCREEN_GROUP.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_FORUM_CHOICE.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_FORUM_CHOICE_VERSION.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_STEP_4_SECTION.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_STEP_4_SECTION_HIDE.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_STEP_4_SECTION_OPTION.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_WARNING_LONG.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_DONE_SOMETHING.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_INPUT_LINE.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_INPUT_PASSWORD.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_INPUT_TICK.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_STEP_1.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_STEP_2.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_STEP_3.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_STEP_4.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_STEP_LOG.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_WARNING.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/INSTALLER_NOTICE.tpl
  • persistant_cache/.htaccess
  • persistant_cache/index.html
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  • themes/default/templates/ECOM_CASH_FLOW_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/ECOM_INVOICES_SCREEN.tpl
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  • themes/default/templates/PURCHASE_WIZARD_STAGE_DETAILS.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/PURCHASE_WIZARD_STAGE_FINISH.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/PURCHASE_WIZARD_STAGE_GUEST.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/PURCHASE_WIZARD_STAGE_LICENCE.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/PURCHASE_WIZARD_STAGE_MESSAGE.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/PURCHASE_WIZARD_STAGE_PAY.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/PURCHASE_WIZARD_STAGE_SUBSCRIBE.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/PURCHASE_WIZARD_STAGE_TRANSACT.tpl
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  • themes/default/templates/ECOM_BUTTON_VIA_SECPAY.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/ECOM_BUTTON_VIA_WORLDPAY.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/ECOM_CANCEL_BUTTON_VIA_SECPAY.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/ECOM_CANCEL_BUTTON_VIA_WORLDPAY.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/ECOM_LOGOS_WORLDPAY.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/ECOM_SUBSCRIPTION_BUTTON_VIA_PAYPAL.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/ECOM_SUBSCRIPTION_BUTTON_VIA_SECPAY.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/ECOM_SUBSCRIPTION_BUTTON_VIA_WORLDPAY.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/ECOM_TRANSACTION_LOGS_MANUAL_TRIGGER.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/ECOM_TRANSACTION_LOGS_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/ecommerce.png
  • themes/default/images/pagepics/ecommerce.png
  • sources/hooks/systems/ecommerce/.htaccess
  • sources/hooks/systems/ecommerce/index.html
  • sources/hooks/systems/ecommerce_via/.htaccess
  • sources/hooks/systems/ecommerce_via/index.html
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  • themes/default/images/pagepics/invoices.png
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  • themes/default/templates/STAFF_EDIT_WRAPPER.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/STAFF_ADMIN_SCREEN.tpl
  • lang/EN/staff.ini
  • themes/default/images/pagepics/staff.png
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/staff.png
  • themes/default/templates/AWARDED_CONTENT.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/BLOCK_MAIN_AWARDS.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/BLOCK_MAIN_CONTENT.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/BLOCK_MAIN_MULTI_CONTENT.tpl
  • themes/default/images/pagepics/awards.png
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/awards.png
  • sources/hooks/systems/awards/.htaccess
  • sources/hooks/systems/awards/index.html
  • themes/default/images/awarded.png
  • sources/hooks/systems/meta/seedy_page.php
  • sources/hooks/systems/disposable_values/num_seedy_files.php
  • sources/hooks/systems/disposable_values/num_seedy_pages.php
  • sources/hooks/systems/disposable_values/num_seedy_posts.php
  • themes/default/templates/CEDI_CHANGES_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/CEDI_LIST_TREE_DEPTH.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/CEDI_LIST_TREE_LINE.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/CEDI_POST_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/CEDI_SUBCATEGORY_CHILDREN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/CEDI_SUBCATEGORY_LINK.tpl
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/cedi.png
  • themes/default/images/pagepics/cedi.png
  • sources/hooks/systems/module_permissions/seedy_page.php
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  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_PRICES_FORM_WRAP.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_CUSTOM.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_GAMBLING.tpl
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  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_CONFIRM_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_FLAGRANT_2.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_FORWARDER_MAIL.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_ITEM.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_LOG_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_MAIL.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_MFORWARDING_LINK.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_MPOP3_LINK.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_POP3_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_POP3_ACTIVATE.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_POP3_MAIL.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_POP3_QUOTA.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_PRICE_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_QUOTA.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/POINTSTORE_QUOTA_MAIL.tpl
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/pointstore.png
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/pointstorelog.png
  • themes/default/images/pagepics/pointstore.png
  • sources/hooks/modules/pointstore/.htaccess
  • sources/hooks/modules/pointstore/index.html
  • themes/default/templates/SSL_CONFIGURATION_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/SSL_CONFIGURATION_ENTRY.tpl
  • themes/default/images/pagepics/ssl.png
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/ssl.png
  • themes/default/images/EN/pageitem/cart_add.png
  • themes/default/images/EN/page/cart_view.png
  • themes/default/images/EN/page/cart_add.png
  • themes/default/images/EN/page/cart_update.png
  • themes/default/images/EN/page/shopping_continue.png
  • themes/default/images/EN/page/shopping_buy_now.png
  • themes/default/images/EN/page/cart_empty.png
  • themes/default/images/EN/page/cart_checkout.png
  • themes/default/templates/CATALOGUE_products_ENTRY_EMBED.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/CATALOGUE_products_LINE.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/CATALOGUE_products_LINE_WRAP.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/SHOPPING_CART_PROCEED.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/SHOPPING_CART_STAGE_PAY.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/SHOPPING_ITEM_QUANTITY_FIELD.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/SHOPPING_ITEM_REMOVE_FIELD.tpl
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/orders.png
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/show_orders.png
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/undispatched.png
  • themes/default/images/results/add_note.png
  • themes/default/images/results/delete.gif
  • themes/default/images/results/dispatch.png
  • themes/default/images/results/hold.png
  • themes/default/images/results/return.gif
  • themes/default/images/results/view.gif
  • themes/default/templates/CART_LOGO.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/ECOM_ADMIN_ORDERS_DETAILS_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/ECOM_ORDERS_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/RESULTS_TABLE_cart_ENTRY.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/RESULTS_TABLE_cart_FIELD.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/SHIPPING_ADDRESS.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/ECOMMERCE_ITEM_DETAILS.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/BLOCK_MAIN_QUOTES.tpl
  • adminzone/pages/comcode/EN/quotes.txt
  • text/EN/quotes.txt
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/quotes.png
  • themes/default/images/pagepics/quotes.png
  • lang/EN/quotes.ini
  • themes/default/images/EN/logo/collaboration-logo.png
  • collaboration/pages/comcode/.htaccess
  • collaboration/pages/comcode/EN/.htaccess
  • collaboration/pages/comcode/EN/index.html
  • collaboration/pages/comcode/EN/panel_left.txt
  • collaboration/pages/comcode/EN/start.txt
  • collaboration/pages/comcode/index.html
  • collaboration/pages/comcode_custom/.htaccess
  • collaboration/pages/comcode_custom/EN/.htaccess
  • collaboration/pages/comcode_custom/EN/index.html
  • collaboration/pages/comcode_custom/index.html
  • collaboration/pages/html/.htaccess
  • collaboration/pages/html/EN/.htaccess
  • collaboration/pages/html/EN/index.html
  • collaboration/pages/html/index.html
  • collaboration/pages/html_custom/EN/index.html
  • collaboration/pages/html_custom/index.html
  • collaboration/pages/index.html
  • collaboration/pages/minimodules/.htaccess
  • collaboration/pages/minimodules/index.html
  • collaboration/pages/minimodules_custom/.htaccess
  • collaboration/pages/minimodules_custom/index.html
  • collaboration/pages/modules/.htaccess
  • collaboration/pages/modules/index.html
  • collaboration/pages/modules_custom/.htaccess
  • collaboration/pages/modules_custom/index.html
  • themes/default/images/bottom/bookmarksmenu.png
  • themes/default/images/bottom/bookmarksmenu_off.png
  • lang/EN/bookmarks.ini
  • data/modules/admin_backup/.htaccess
  • data_custom/modules/admin_backup/.htaccess
  • themes/default/templates/RESTORE_WRAP.tpl
  • exports/backups/index.html
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/backups.png
  • themes/default/images/pagepics/backups.png
  • data/modules/admin_backup/index.html
  • data_custom/modules/admin_backup/index.html
  • exports/backups/.htaccess
  • themes/default/templates/SUPPORT_TICKET_TYPE_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/SUPPORT_TICKET_LINK.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/SUPPORT_TICKETS_SEARCH_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/tickets.png
  • themes/default/images/pagepics/tickets.png
  • sources/hooks/systems/module_permissions/tickets.php
  • themes/default/images/EN/page/staff_only_reply.png
  • themes/default/images/no_image.png
  • data/.htaccess
  • uploads/auto_thumbs/index.html
  • uploads/auto_thumbs/.htaccess
  • pages/comcode_custom/.htaccess
  • pages/comcode_custom/EN/index.html
  • site/pages/html_custom/EN/index.html
  • uploads/personal_sound_effects/index.html
  • uploads/personal_sound_effects/.htaccess
  • data/sounds/contact_off.mp3
  • data/sounds/contact_on.mp3
  • data/sounds/error.mp3
  • data/sounds/invited.mp3
  • data/sounds/message_background.mp3
  • data/sounds/message_initial.mp3
  • data/sounds/message_received.mp3
  • data/sounds/message_sent.mp3
  • data/sounds/you_connect.mp3
  • sources/hooks/modules/chat_bots/index.html
  • themes/default/templates/CHAT_LOGS_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/CHAT_SET_EFFECTS_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/CHAT_SITEWIDE_IM_POPUP.tpl
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  • themes/default/templates/PHP_FILE.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/PHP_FUNCTION.tpl
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  • themes/default/templates/PHP_PARAMETER.tpl
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  • lang/EN/phpdoc.ini
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  • sources/hooks/systems/disposable_values/download_bandwidth.php
  • sources/hooks/systems/disposable_values/num_archive_downloads.php
  • sources/hooks/systems/disposable_values/num_downloads_downloaded.php
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  • uploads/downloads/.htaccess
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  • themes/default/images/pagepics/downloads.png
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  • themes/default/templates/FLAGRANT_DETAILS.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/FLAGRANT_STORE_LIST_LINE.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/BLOCK_SIDE_NETWORK.tpl
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  • adminzone/pages/comcode/EN/netlink.txt
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  • netlink.php
  • themes/default/images/bigicons/multisitenetwork.png
  • themes/default/images/pagepics/multisitenetworking.png
  • themes/default/templates/TESTER_ADD_SECTION_SCREEN.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/TESTER_GO_SECTION.tpl
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  • themes/default/templates/TESTER_REPORT.tpl
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  • themes/default/templates/TESTER_TEST_GROUP.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/TESTER_TEST_GROUP_NEW.tpl
  • themes/default/templates/TESTER_TEST_SET.tpl

These files are outdated (you can find the correct versions in the manual installer ZIP for the version you're running; ignore any files that you have knowingly replaced as official bug fixes):

  • uploads/website_specific/index.html
  • text/EN/too_common_words.txt

The following alien files were found in ocPortal and possibly should be deleted. It may be that these files are remnants of the previous version or files from uninstalled addons (these ones are pre-ticked/checked), and they may cause problems if left behind. Or, they may be from unofficial addons which may or may not be compatible with the version you are running (this tool knows nothing about non-bundled addons). Please check each file to see what it is, and if you believe it to be an outdated file, delete it. Please take a backup first though!

  • google5e962c85e0ac8436.html
  • php.ini.txt
  • readme.txt
  • y_key_4c39e37d5b80104f.html
  • log.txt
  • sources/panel_left.txt
  • show.php
  • google2b0a95cef8a790e0.html
  • data/log.txt
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  • .ftpquota
 

 
 
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It just died over night was taking for ever so just went to bed.
Then got up was on a error page.
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Database query failed: SELECT l_setting FROM ocp7_notification_lockdown WHERE (l_notification_code='actionlog') LIMIT 1 [Table 'jbvmnqhy_ocportal1.ocp7_notification_lockdown' doesn't exist]<br />
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You are missing a table. Did you run the database upgrade?

It seems like you have an enormous number of problems, especially the missing files when you manually upgraded. That would suggest that there was a problem when you uploaded those files or expanded the .tar on your server.

If it were me, I would restore my backup of both the files and database (you do have a backup from before the installation?) and then try doing the upgrade from the admin area again. I needed to do this with one of the RCs when it turned out there was a glitch on the server similar to what you described when you tried to upgrade. The second attempt went smoothly and I wasn't fighting dozens of little fires that will eventually rear their heads again if you miss something.

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