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The things in the points system is alittle limited. People want to buy cool things, not a simple text message and a banner…

Things like:

Add 50 to Post Count      Increase your Post Count by 50!

Change Display Name    Change your display name!

Change Other's Title    Change someone else's title

Change User Title    Change your User Title (under your name)

Change Username    Change your Username!

Decrease Posts by 10    Decrease Someone else's post count by 10!!

Increase Karma    Increase your Karma by 5

Italic Display Name    Make the name displayed next to your posts italic

Random Points    Get a random amount of points, between -200 and 200!

Steal Points    Try to steal credits from another member! (Be careful. If you fail, you can loose post count, reputation, OR your own credits!!!)

Sticky Topic    Make any one of your topics a sticky!

Those are some things I have in my store on my current site. They are really cool and have an actual purpose.

I know it looks like im asking for alot of things and asking alot of questions, im sorry. But, just think, if these are added, it ONLY makes your system better then any other. I think compared to say Joomla (what I use now) its like a 7.5 where as Joomla is a 7. Its better, but not by much. The extras are very low. But does have more settings then joomla, so why its higher. So, if those could somehow be added into the store, that would be VERY cool.

Thanks again.

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Add 50 to Post Count

I have to say, I hate 'adding to post count'. It's just site-endorsed lieing about a user's activity. In ocPortal, they have a point count and it is that that is used for rank - so there's no need to go to the point store.

Change Display Name

I don't want people to be able to buy confusion. If they want a new username they should ask the staff for permission, otherwise it's open to big abuse.

Change Other's Title

That's pretty bizarre. I don't want to write features which would be used mostly for bullying other members.

Decrease Posts by 10

Again, ocPortal isn't bullying software.

Increase Karma

We don't have separate karma (gift points do the job quite nicely), but again I think this is 'buying lies'.

Italic Display Name

This one I definitely like. We'll consider it for future versions.

Random Points

:lol: This is very interesting - gambling, with a cost to do so. I like it!

Steal Points

I think I get the idea that you're making a kind of "lad's club" kind of site, so I retract what I said about 'bullying'. But we can't go about cramming features into ocPortal that would detract for most people - this is why third parties can make addons, and we do have a clean way to extend the point store.

Sticky Topic

I like.

I think compared to say Joomla (what I use now) its like a 7.5 where as Joomla is a 7. Its better, but not by much. The extras are very low. But does have more settings then joomla, so why its higher.

I don't think you're doing a fair comparison here. Joomla doesn't have anything like what ocPortal has, unless you install loads of addons. Then you have a site which is full of ill-fitting components, each with their own quirks, authorities, and design inconsistencies. ocPortal can have addons too, and  we do everything we possible can to make it easy for people - however, it's not for us to make all the addons any person might want for free. I sincerely hope people start making more addons, and any comments on what we could do to help that are very welcome, but at the end of the day ocProducts isn't a free house for personally doing everything anyone wants in their own websites - we couldn't possibly.


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Er. Most of those were my requests not yours….glad to see your own opinion in there :| to stop development.

And joomla is not as bad as you say. The thing that makes it so close to as good as this is the amount of extras they have, templates, mods, components, ect. They have so much that you can do ALOT with it.

Its like this. You buy a $50,000 dollar car. You get many features already with it. But, because of the model you cannot customize it much. So, other rich people buy the car, now everyone has the same design, look and style because there are no places that has custom parts for it. Ok now you buy a $40,000 dollar car. You get alittle less features packed with it. But, any store you go to has parts for it, and you can customize it anyway you like. NOW your car is unique.

oCPortal is the $50,000 car and Joomla is the $40,000 car. Barely nothing is here to customize it how "I" want it….and ive whitnessed that from your remarks about "bullying" and most of those being bad…im glad I can ask anything and have most of it put down….


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oCPortal is the $50,000 car and Joomla is the $40,000 car. Barely nothing is here to customize it how "I" want it….and ive whitnessed that from your remarks about "bullying" and most of those being bad…

This is interesting. In what ways would you say ocPortal isn't customiseable? We've put a lot of effort into making it as extensible and modular as possible, and we think it works rather well, but we're always open to suggestions.

im glad I can ask anything and have most of it put down….

We're just saying some of those suggestions aren't likely to get into the main ocPortal download. People are free to make them as addons (or "mods") though, and we'd actively encourage it. :) Not many people have contributed addons for ocPortal, and we would be really happy if somebody did.
By no means are we saying they're bad ideas: I'm sure they'd be quite appropriate for some websites, but you must appreciate that for the vast majority of sites, features such as some of the ones you mentioned (e.g. "steal points") just aren't appropriate. ;)

Despite that, there are some good suggestions in there that we are considering putting into the next version. Just remember that the others can always be implemented by somebody other than us as addons. :)

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^Thank you for the good remark. I was going to lower my harshness on my last post, I didnt mean to make it sound like this cms is complete junk. Its not, by no means. Its a very good portal…

But, it just seems like ive asked for a few things and its never been said if they would be done or not. I also have been VERY understanding and have said that I wouldnt need any of this stuff (addons post too) to be done anytime soon. Just within the next 2-3 weeks.

And yes, my site is more of a layed back type site. I want it to be friendly, not just straight up professional. We dont sell anything, so no need to be. If we were, then maybe.

If you could make it so ^^those extras could be turned off and on, that would work…the people that dont want them on, turns them off, and people like me, wants them on, turns them on. Could that be hard?

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The problem is, you're giving the impression you want us to write all this stuff for you. With that you are pushing us into a position where we have to judge these as feature suggestions for a product, and therefore I have to give my opinion on whether I like them otherwise you'd be in the dark: if I say I do like them, it's likely at some point they will be implemented. Your other post, where I hardly commented, was in the addon forum and hence the implication there is that we won't be doing them; I avoided replying because you specifically said 'or someone else' in your post.

So, that explains how I've replied to your topics.

The other issue here is that you're making a lot of demands, for us or unspecified 'other people' to implement a lot of strange functionality that would only make sense as addons. Addons, just like with Joomla, are not meant to generally speaking be made by the core team. 'A few weeks' given as an ultimatum to us to develop strange features, for a single user, is a tiny amount of time when you consider we have many users - if we do choose to do something, we have to integrate it into our overall strategy designed to serve all our users' needs (we need to prioritise everything, from hundreds or even thousands of ideas), and justify the cost of development against the benefit to those users likely to register our product. You've already proposed enough features whereby we could spend weeks just working flat-out programming them, and we can't possibly justify doing that ourselves just for you, because you're talking about development time worth literally thousands of pounds/dollars, targetted to a group of people less likely to register than anyone else.

This stuff has to be done by third parties as addons and therefore we work very hard to make addon creation possible. We've developed a very powerful framework, and even a whole manual, just for writing addons. ocPortal is in fact Open Source so there's nothing blocking people. It cannot be our responsibility to make, for no income, all the addons people might want. The Joomla core team certainly didn't make Joomla's addons - people did to satisfy their own need, and then they shared them. It is indeed unfortunate that people haven't been releasing many ocPortal addons - but the power is in your hands to find your own people with programming skills to work on your site, if it is so that you can't afford the consultancy fees for custom addons to be made. If our users start actively promoting ocPortal and creating an 'economy' of code sharing of addons and skills then things will really happen - you together have a thousand times more power than we do to make that happen.


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Hmm.

Yea, I understand. I don't mean to make it look like I'm "demanding" for these things. I just asked if they "could" and "might" be done. That's all. I also understand that your team is small and it would take a while for it to be done. I personally don't know of any coders to help you guys, if I did I wouldn't be asking for help here. And I don't know enough code to do it either. I am just asking here because you guys are the ones with smarts.

I don't know. All depends on if I can do with that I got. The only reason why I haven't given up on it yet is because there is really nothing else at all out there that either has a good forum packed with it, or works with smf, ipb, ect. This one does both. And this one also has an excellent permission feature that others don't. That's the only reason why I have not given up. But, I do want to see a few more features before I pay to have that converter done. If not, then I might not use this. I will make my own template, that's no big deal. But the mods, I cannot.
So that's my situation right now. Thanks anyway for listening.

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I realise this might not directly help you, but I'm going to see about doing an online 'workshop' for programming new addons. Even if you don't want to take it yourself, it might help people start making more addons.
Some of your ideas have now been incorporated into our future plans (some of the less-weird ones relating to points and usergroups), but I can't guarantee things because we have hundreds of 'ratified' ideas and we regularly adapt our plans based on various inflences. Perhaps I'll pick one for the 'workshop' as an example.


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I will look into doing addons myself, see what I can come up with. Im pretty good at php, but I dont think thats what these are. But if it looks like I can do some, I can help you guys make these and others that are requested (although it looks like im the only one asking for things…).

Ill look for that guide, and let you know.

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