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Hi.

Please don't puke, but I've been trying out Drupal and found it so tedious and difficult to manage, I started looking for other solutions. I just discovered ocPortal and it's certainly easier to use (only via the demo so far).

I am webmaster for a charitable society which already has public web pages and some private but unsecure web pages. We want to setup a members' section to be accessed from the main website, which ocPortal will be able to implement.

My initial questions are:

Should I keep the present public site and just include a menu field linked to the new (ocPortal) members' area, or is it possible to have ocPortal manage the public area as well, so that themes are carried across all pagess as desired?

How would I go about implementing ocPortal management of the public site, so that users don't need to log-in, unless they choose the members area?

As you can tell, I haven't read the documentation yet, but thought that some recommendations from users might be a good idea first.

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Alan.
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Welcome aboard, Alan.

I won't 'support' Drupal here, nor would I openly trash it. I haven't used it, so I am not in a position to criticise.

ocPortal on the other hand is something I evangelise at every opportunity - and with good cause.

Everything is available 'out-of-the-box', including the features you want to deploy, and it can all be self-contained; i.e. with the right restrictions in place, all visitors can see all the content you wish them to see, but the areas you don't want to be 'open' will be completely invisible to them unless they register. And even your registered users can have certain areas of the site 'closed' to them. Often, they won't even know those areas exist! So, in this case "one site fits all".

An example of what I am trying to explain is (using my own site preferences), registered users have access to my 'music' and 'video' pages, guests do not. Reason? Saves on my bandwidth! The one's that don't have access to those areas don't get their knickers in a twist as they aren't even aware of them. They are simply blocked from 'viewing' those specific pages!

If you decide to go ahead, drop by here daily and pick up on what others are asking about, and if you hit the proverbial 'brick wall', don't get flustered, somebody has probably been there ahead of you, and will gladly jump in and offer a solution.

Good luck.

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Hi Fletch.

Thanks for your friendly reply.

I can only speak as I have found. Drupal (for me) is bloated with thousands of modules, which is a bit like choosing the components for a hi-fi system! It's not intuitive and from the demo I've just watched, ocPortal beats it hands down. :thumbs:

From what you've said and what I've seen, it looks like ocPortal is right for me, so I think I will make the transition soon.

Do you happen to know if there's a way of running a local website as I do for standard HTML/CSS? I'm used to making changes and checking before committing them to a live site.

Also, because I prefer not to disturb our present website until ocPortal is running successfully, I wonder if I should have it install in a directory of its own, or is that the usual way of doing things anyway?
If I can keep ocPortal separate, then I can slowly merge the existing site, just replacing pages and links until the full site is under ocPortal control, starting at the Home page.

Comments gratefully received.

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Alan.
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WurliTzerwilly said

  • 1. …so I think I will make the transition soon.
  • 2. …prefer not to disturb our present website until ocPortal is running successfully, I wonder if I should have it install in a directory of its own.
  • 3. If I can keep ocPortal separate, then I can slowly merge the existing site, just replacing pages and links until the full site is under ocPortal control, starting at the Home page.
1. Encouraging!

2. Of course. Don't do anything to the live site until you are ready to transition. Probably don't even mention it to your regulars. Don't forget it is going to come as a bit of a culture shock to them to be told they have to 'register' to continue. That is assuming you intend to install the OCF forum module. Membership is controlled through the forums, and if you intend to use 'view' - 'don't view' scenarios, then I can't see how you can avoid installing the forum.

3. A lot depends on your current host. You will already have investigated whether they have the minimum requirements to run ocPortal, but there are other aspects you should also consider. If there are no obvious limitations on your hosting plan, then installing ocPortal in its own directory will work. The config file will take care of the 'linkage', and when you are ready to move the site, simply change the config options and your site will be the one the users get to when they enter the URL for your current site. But more on that when the time draws near!

Is that how you envisaged the move?

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Hi.

I'm already running phpBB, so the forum side is taken care of for now, but I may well transfer it to ocPortal later.
Members are expecting to have to register for their own private pages. I presume that once ocPortal is in control, the front end public site will be viewable by all without registration?

I don't think there are any issues with the current host. What I did with Drupal was to install it in a directory of its own, called "members" and pointing a browser to www.mainsite/members invokes the logon. I presume that if I moved the index.php file to a different directory, it would quite happily run from there, with Drupal in its own separate environment, as long as the links were changed. I also presume that ocPortal will do the same.

As long as ocPortal doesn't assign 'node' to everything, the path setup should be fairly easy and the index.php files will take registered users to the right places?

Actually, I just visited your website and it does most of what I want, so I've partly answered my own questions. :)


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Alan.
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WurliTzerwilly said

Actually, I just visited your website and it does most of what I want, so I've partly answered my own questions.
ROTFLMAO!

OK, so you've partially resolved some issues. I suspect there will be many more!

My BriefGuide page makes some things clearer for visitors to my site. Not that I think many bother to read it. Their attention span is limited and if they don't see anything on the front page to catch their attention, they move on rapidly. I used to have a list of links to other similar sites in a panel on my landing page, which I have subsequently buried elsewhere. I discovered that many visitors were using my 'Quick Links' as a jumping off point for other sites!

Importing/merging phpBB shouldn't prove to be difficult as I think there are tutorials and experienced users here to assist.

If you craft it carefully, the landing page will be available to ALL - visitors & members - and you can decide how you want to 'point' them in the direction you want them to go.

When you decide you are ready to go, start off by following the installation instructions, select the ball-park type of site you intend to use the software for, and then allow ocPortal to build something for you. From there it is simply a matter of customising the widths, panels, links, etc.

Let us know how you get on, and don't hesitate to drop in and ASK. You'll find a helpful bunch of folk in here.

Good luck.

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I will take a look at your Brief Guide, shortly.

I've just uploaded ocPortal to a test site, so I can get used to it before committing to the society's site.

I'll keep you posted.

Thanks for your help.

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Alan.
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Not quite :thumbs: unfortunately.

For some reason it can't connect to the MySQL database. AFAIK I've got all the parameters correct, so I'll have to see if the host can help. :(

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Alan.
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File permissions are critical. There are several '_custom' folders that require 777. That often runs afoul of the mod_security settings that you host has in place.

Good idea to ask them to take a look at their settings in relation to your account, and if they aren't sure themselves, refer them to Configuring mod_security - ocPortal.com where they should find enough information to get the problem resolved.

Good luck.

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Strange, but it seems to be working OK now - so far.

I deleted the database and created a new one, using their wizard, started the install again and it's all kicked off.

The odd thing is that I created the previous database using their wizard, but added the user and permissions manually. Must have made a mistake somewhere. :$

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Alan.
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Well, it's all uploaded, installed and part configured, so the fun has begun.

I'm just attempting to make a gallery, but keep getting a form error message. No doubt I'l lfigure it out, but right now the hour is late...............:cool:

Regards,

Alan.
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