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An amazing facility for serious ... bloggers... or real writers.

Hi there Gentlefolk.
There is an extraordinary program out there called Zemanta.it really is like having a research assistant slave!
I don't know very much about its technicalities at this stage, but it is available on most of the well-known blogs.
Apparently, Windows Livewriter  is/was a great front end or publishing to "not so well-known blogs"!
There must be some way for us to be able to incorporate this tool into OCP.
(I hope)
it is really well worth a look for anybody doing any kind of serious work regarding any sort of content.
I must have it!
Zemanta

I am pretty well off the line at the moment for doing much with OCP as either a mystery virus has got at my system, or my own real-world failing memory!  All my Gmail files have disappeared along with all my bookmarks from Firefox...... :o
:offtopic:
To top it all off for this week, the main TV news channel ran a lead story about how bad for you drinking cows milk really is and the only one to safely recommend is milk that comes from A2 cows (true!).  Unfortunately, there is only an extremely limited supply of it available in Queensland.  Despite the fact that they charge over twice the normal price for it, it is now nearly impossible to get and  as vegetarians, we really need it to make our own cheese and yoghurt (vitamin B12).

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RE ZEMANTA:

Hello Management!!!

Look what I found after digging around a bit on the Zemanta Site!

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We also have a version for Microsoft Live Writer, that supports a number of other platforms through XML-RPC. Users have reported to successfully use it with the above platforms as well as Vox, SquareSpace, and others.
 
If you would like to see native support for another blogging platform, please ask your blogging provider to get in touch with us, or just CC us (info@zemanta.com) on your email so we can work with them to add the support.

Address : <http://support.zemanta.com/customer/portal/articles/586678-which-blogging-platforms-do-you-support->

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Hi,

If you would like to see native support for another blogging platform, please ask your blogging provider to get in touch with us, or just CC us (info@zemanta.com) on your email so we can work with them to add the support.

We'd need the feature request added to the tracker then sponsors to cover the time it would take to complete the integration on our end.


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That does look really cool! Definitely put it in the tracker!
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Chris Graham said

Hi,


We'd need the feature request added to the tracker then sponsors to cover the time it would take to complete the integration on our end.


Hi Chris,
I would think that this - like Zotero - should be a MUST for the future of OCP.
E.G. For anyone serious as a writer today it is a mandatory inclusion. It not available would put paid to me using OCP   :wub:  

I'm trying out the standalone version as soon as I have time, to see if an OCP connection is possible.
Would suggest OCP Programming staff do too.

It's a bit like being left out of CPanel - it puts you in the "bush leagues".  
So I'd also rethink the autoinstall side to create a VERY friendly non-geek installer. The current one sure isn't, compared to the rest of the field.

Remember - don't shoot a messenger!  :ninja:
There is also "smoke on the horizon" called BuddyPress)

Cheers,

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Buddypress is not smoke on the horizon! It's more like a yappy chihuahua. All bark no bite. lol But that pluggin does look pretty cool indeed and should be added to the tracker at least.
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Hi himagain,

I don't mean to be rude, but I wanted to highlight how I am having a very hard time understanding your posts with an example ;).

It not available would put paid to me using OCP

I'm trying to fix the grammar and spelling and here are a few guesses:
  • "It is not available and that will put an end to me using OCP"
  • "It is not available and I would pay to have it added to OCP"
  • "It is not available but if it was I would pay to use OCP [and therefore others would too]"
  • "It is not available but I can't pay for it to be added"

But I'm not sure either of these are correct.

Again, sorry if this comes across as rude, I just felt I should explain why I don't really understand much of your post text – if it's easy to parse, you'll get a better response.


But replying generally, the only way we can afford to keep pushing ocPortal forward as a free product is if the people who need new features find a way to get them funded.


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I'm curious as to why people would be interested in this?  It seems like basically a purely blogging tool that distributes your content to other peoples blogs.  If that is what you are doing (or want to do), why run OCP?  

To me, OCP seems like more of community site, than a blogging platform.  Sure, it can do it, but it wouldn't be my first choice.

So I'm curious what some people would use this for in relation to OCP?  What's the use case?   ;)
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So I'm curious what some people would use this for in relation to OCP?  What's the use case?   ;)

Hi there,
Been very busy with "getting the rent" for some time and setting up a new Server, but to answer your questions from a recent talk of mine:

In marketing, it is called "funnelling"- getting you noticed in the verbal maelstrom called the Internet. The aim being to attract visitors to to a point where you can communicate with them directly.
E.G.  OCP wants to grow to have a meaningful market dynamic (get visitors to convert).
Without the promotional activity made possible by these tools, it will stay where it is now………….. :-{

The principal canvassing sources are:
Google and the dreaded "Social Sites" like Twitter.
However - it is content that is king. You have to create postings/pages/sites that are of interest to the target market out there in the CYberbog.

Having said all o'that:
If one is independently wealthy, and/or strictly a hobbyist and income is not the point, merely ego, then all of that activity is not required.  :-)

Cheers!   
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Hi Chris,
I would think that this - like Zotero - should be a MUST for the future of OCP.
E.G. For anyone serious as a writer today it is a mandatory inclusion. It not available would put paid to me using OCP   :wub:  

I'm trying out the standalone version as soon as I have time, to see if an OCP connection is possible.
Would suggest OCP Programming staff do too.

It's a bit like being left out of CPanel - it puts you in the "bush leagues".  
So I'd also rethink the autoinstall side to create a VERY friendly non-geek installer. The current one sure isn't, compared to the rest of the field.

Remember - don't shoot a messenger!  :ninja:
There is also "smoke on the horizon" called BuddyPress)

Cheers,



Chris Graham said

Hi himagain,

I don't mean to be rude, but I wanted to highlight how I am having a very hard time understanding your posts with an example ;).

It not available would put paid to me using OCP

I'm trying to fix the grammar and spelling and here are a few guesses:
  • "It is not available and that will put an end to me using OCP"
  • "It is not available and I would pay to have it added to OCP"
  • "It is not available but if it was I would pay to use OCP [and therefore others would too]"
  • "It is not available but I can't pay for it to be added"

But I'm not sure either of these are correct.

Again, sorry if this comes across as rude, I just felt I should explain why I don't really understand much of your post text – if it's easy to parse, you'll get a better response.


But replying generally, the only way we can afford to keep pushing ocPortal forward as a free product is if the people who need new features find a way to get them funded.


Hi Chris,
Very clever!  :-)
But your English she ain't so good, yourself. :-)
Ain't got time to correct it for you now, (are you Canadian/American?) but the essence is simple:
OCP is simply not up to scratch with the competition in the field today and YOU should really add the modern functions, not want clients to fund them.

JFYI:  This post was dictated directly voice-to-text using the magic of Dragon NaturallyPreferred 11.5.
DEspite being set up for English, it does sneak in Amerenglish sometimes.
Namaste!
John
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If you'd invested 8 years of your life building an Open Source product, and all that time later you still got insistance that we implement everything ourselves for free, even though the business model is as an Open Source services company, you'd do push back and ask the people benefiting from the functionality to fund it ;). It's not even a question of what I would or would not want to personally do, the resources available to me are extremely scarce, I have to make the project sustainable, and always having to do one more thing for someone without a good project budget, is a route to bankruptcy not sustainability ;). The amount that has been invested to get ocPortal to where it is right now is huge, only paralleled with the holes in the budgets of most people trying to use it; so really I am pretty powerless other than to point this out and to ask people to compare the savings ocPortal makes with the costs of development and make a sensible business decision to allocate a reasonable budget. It's not me being stubborn at all, it's economics, and me not wanting to live in a cave due to ongoing sacrifice at the alter of putting out free work for decades of my life ;). I don't expect ocPortal to make me a millionaire, but I don't expect to continue to be locked into a low-income subsistence lifestyle from it either. Contributions are always welcome, if BuddyPress supports this, I'm almost certain it will have been through a third-party addon that someone will have contributed into the project – people have contributed addons to ocPortal, and that's great, maybe if you promote this idea, someone might bite. There's a lot more that BuddyPress doesn't have that ocPortal does, than the other way around, but there will always be things other software has that we don't, and we don't have an income stream to fund ongoing free development (the cost/complexity of which continues to rise), nor are we able to place the margins on our commercial work necessary to keep sustaining that in the current economy.

Regarding installation: I don't believe BuddyPress is easier to install but I can't say I've tried it – perhaps you're comparing an automated installer in a control panel, but in that case you'd need to compare our Installatron installer that does the similar purpose. There's no way for our own native installers to automatically setup databases etc (we've thought about this in detail), but the ocPortal Installatron installer can do this. Tthe quick installer can be clicked-through with defaults apart from those database settings.


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Hi there,
Been very busy with "getting the rent" for some time and setting up a new Server, but to answer your questions from a recent talk of mine:

In marketing, it is called "funnelling"- getting you noticed in the verbal maelstrom called the Internet. The aim being to attract visitors to to a point where you can communicate with them directly.
E.G.  OCP wants to grow to have a meaningful market dynamic (get visitors to convert).
Without the promotional activity made possible by these tools, it will stay where it is now………….. :-{

The principal canvassing sources are:
Google and the dreaded "Social Sites" like Twitter.
However - it is content that is king. You have to create postings/pages/sites that are of interest to the target market out there in the CYberbog.

Having said all o'that:
If one is independently wealthy, and/or strictly a hobbyist and income is not the point, merely ego, then all of that activity is not required.  :-)

Cheers!   

You missed my point.  This type of add-in is not going to promote OCP, it will just promote whatever site happens to be using it.  Do you pay attention on every site you go to in order to figure out what software is driving it?  I assume no.

The application seems to me to very blog driven, which is not (IMO) the OCP value argument.  If you want a blogging platform there is WordPress and a bunch of others designed exactly for that purpose.  OCP's value argument (again IMO) is that is a single integrated community platform and basic CMS tool.  It's value argument is in having integrated user management, forums, messaging, news / simple blogs, and a basic wiki all into one package.  This a package that is of value to community-sites, not blogs really.

Content may be king, but you are focusing only on a blog-driven content source.

If you want to pay for development to include this as a plug-in, that's great.  More power to you.  But given the limited resources of Chris, I'm not sure that such a target-specific enhancement makes sense for him to devote time to.  Just as I'm sure that most of my desired features don't make sense for him to spend time on.

As an open-source development model company, OCP needs to focus on adding features of corporate users I'm guessing.  They are the ones with the money to fund development.  The rest of us are mostly non-contributing leeches (with a few exceptions).   :'(
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